Qiaochu_Yuan comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 19, chapter 88-89 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 30 June 2013 05:30:24AM 6 points [-]

Mild evidence against is that Time Turners were (apparently) used to save a life in canon, namely Buckbeak's. Stronger evidence is that no use of a Time Turner in HPMoR has actually altered the timeline; to the extent that there are rules I would expect them to be much more general than that. "Can't save a life" is a deeply inelegant rule. It doesn't cut the universe at its joints.

Comment author: 75th 30 June 2013 08:11:01AM 6 points [-]

Can't tell by your phrasing here whether you're aware of this or not, but no use of a Time Turner in canon altered the timeline, either. Everything that Harry and Hermione did while time-turned was exactly what the trio saw the first time through. That part of HPMoR's time travel rules are identical to canon's, just more thoroughly explained.

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 30 June 2013 08:39:44AM *  2 points [-]

Yes, that's what the (apparently) was for. The point is that this is a canon example where a character thought someone was dead and used a Time Turner to rescue them, but the timeline ended up working out so that they were never dead in the first place (as it had to).

Comment author: Vaniver 30 June 2013 06:19:35PM 4 points [-]

Mild evidence against is that Time Turners were (apparently) used to save a life in canon, namely Buckbeak's.

On-screen deaths have happened, and thus cannot be altered. Off-screen deaths might not have actually been deaths, and thus can be altered.

Comment author: DanielLC 30 June 2013 05:56:35AM 2 points [-]

Stronger evidence is that no use of a Time Turner in HPMoR has actually altered the timeline

They can be used to control the timeline. It's Parfit's hitchhiker. If Harry was willing to use the Time Turner, he'd never have gotten into that situation. Just like when he was willing to use it to escape a locked room.