Ishaan comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 19, chapter 88-89 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Ishaan 30 June 2013 06:44:38AM *  21 points [-]

If she had died in Azkaban or from a Kiss or from a Malfoy-funded assassination, that would have perhaps felt better. But the lamest warmup boss of the canon? Offscreen?

Isn't that the point, though? Hasn't that been the theme? That reality doesn't care about the narrative arcs that you make in your head? That at any time, the universe is allowed to kill you, your notion of the plot be damned? What you are feeling seems to be more or less the author's intention - the sign of a good story.

Mind you, if this was the real world. Harry would have found out about Hermione's death 2-3 days later, not dramatically just in time. From a realism perspective, there was way more closure than anyone ever actually gets when it comes to violent death.

Comment author: Alsadius 30 June 2013 07:15:02PM 3 points [-]

Hasn't that been the theme?

Not at all. HPMOR isn't quite as full of narrativium as the canon, but it's hardly a Game of Thrones-esque "The plot doesn't care about what you want" slaughterfest.

Comment author: malcolmocean 30 June 2013 11:09:46AM 2 points [-]

Mind you, if this was the real world. Harry would have found out about Hermione's death 2-3 days later, not dramatically just in time.

Pretty sure that's what Ritalin was complaining about. It made the scene seem flat/tropy. Not that I can necessarily propose a better way of doing it. Also no, it would have been at most later that day. But still.

Comment author: Ritalin 30 June 2013 11:42:15AM 0 points [-]

Especially since the tension up to that point had been incredibly generic. Honestly, I found that the chapter was a bore, an incredibly standard race-against-the-clock Hollywoodish action sequence, and never, at any point, did the narrative properly convey that this situation was any different from the myriad other situations where the hero bypasses a traffic jam by driving his car through a mall so that he can get to his beloved in time. The only other instance I can remember of something like this happening was in The Dark Knight, and there too it felt like an unnatural cheat, but at least we had the Joker's malice to blame.

Comment author: CAE_Jones 01 July 2013 06:23:35AM 2 points [-]

The only other instance I can remember of something like this happening was in The Dark Knight, and there too it felt like an unnatural cheat, but at least we had the Joker's malice to blame.

Voldemort has plenty of malice to go around. It's just less chaotic than the Joker's. Where the Joker would kill you with an overly complicated punchline, Voldemort would simply kill you.