DanielLC comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 19, chapter 88-89 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: DanielLC 30 June 2013 11:00:30PM 5 points [-]

In other words, the power the Dark Lord knows not is hope.

Comment author: Benja 30 June 2013 11:18:15PM *  9 points [-]

I don't think it can be usefully summarized into one punchy word (ETA: I don't think hope is quite the right way to describe what Quirrellmort is missing that's preventing him from creating and ruling over an intergalactic dark empire), but now that I thought for one minute about which one I would choose if I had to pick one, it would be one that doesn't at first brush sound like it fits into that slot at all:

The power the Dark Lord knows not is ambition.

Comment author: wedrifid 01 July 2013 08:27:20AM 5 points [-]

The power the Dark Lord knows not is ambition.

After thinking about this for a minute I have to confirm my first impression: This is nonsense. The Dark Lord knows craptons of ambition. Any definition of 'ambition' for which the Dark Lord does not know it is a ridiculous definition. And if we're talking about Quirrellmort we've even heard him share his ambitions. Maybe he has somewhat less ambition than Harry but that's not sufficient for the claim to be reasonable.

Comment author: Benja 01 July 2013 09:13:05AM 6 points [-]

*shrugs* So my opinion is that when one ambition is so much greater that the other isn't even distinguishable from zero unless you plot them on a log scale, it makes poetic sense to call the Dark Lord "not ambitious", even though I of course agree that Quirrellmort is ambitious compared to the median human. But if you don't agree that this is poetically appropriate, sure, fine.

(I'll recall my disclaimer that I don't actually think that it makes sense to use just a single word to describe the concept -- seriously trying to do that strikes me as trying to make the discussion compliant with Dumbledorian thought-by-cliché.)

Comment author: Sheaman3773 22 August 2013 02:06:45PM 0 points [-]

I agree with the concept above. Moreover, so does Quirrell:

I expect that you will grasp at any opportunity for advancement which falls into your hands. But there is no great ambition that you are driven to accomplish, and you will not make your opportunities.

Now, every model I've made of Quirrellmort's prior actions do show him making his own opportunities, but the point remains--none of those opportunities (that I've modeled, predicted, or learned about) have aimed anywhere near any kind of genuine improvement of humanity in the way that Harry desires, not even fixing the flaws he himself observes. They've all just been about him achieving power.

This feels odd to type, but it feels as though Quirrellmort's ambitions are...shallow.

Comment author: ikrase 01 July 2013 07:30:10AM 5 points [-]

The power the Dark Lord Knows Not is optimism?