Lumifer comments on Rationality Quotes July 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Lumifer 16 July 2013 04:35:20PM 8 points [-]

This is factually false.

What exactly was claimed to be a fact and how do you know it's false?

Primitive life is pretty great if you have low population density

Um. Really? What do you call primitive life, then? Does it include contemporary medicine, for example?

Comment author: PhilGoetz 16 July 2013 09:52:37PM 3 points [-]

"This testifies to nothing other than the fact that those who recommend the satisfactions of living in harmony with nature have never had to do it." That "fact" is false, and sets up a straw man in the place of the views and preferences of people who know what they're talking about.

Comment author: gwern 02 August 2013 01:26:24AM 4 points [-]

That "fact" is false, and sets up a straw man in the place of the views and preferences of people who know what they're talking about.

In what sense is traveling with modern equipment, vaccinated and raised in an industrial society,

while under the protection of American law and mores, so that they don't have to band together in tribes for pretection, compete with other tribes for land, and do the whole tribal bickering and conformity thing

all of which depends crucially on a vast technological economy and society, 'living in harmony with nature'?

They aren't living in harmony with nature because their brief highly sanitized encounters are structured and make use of countless highly unnatural products & tools, and so that is not a strawman.