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Comment author: Rukifellth 16 July 2013 07:40:10PM 0 points [-]

How does this square with chaos theory, which models behaviour that diverges greatly due to infinitesimal changes at the start?

Comment author: [deleted] 17 July 2013 05:12:42AM 0 points [-]

What has it got to do with chaos theory?

Comment author: Rukifellth 17 July 2013 09:17:57AM *  0 points [-]

Suppose you have two similar but extremely complicated systems that put compound pendulums to shame and both of which have different starting conditions. Would the state of one system ever be identical to the state of the other at any state that has occurred, or will occur, with system two?

Comment author: [deleted] 17 July 2013 07:24:05PM 0 points [-]

No, with extremely high probability.

How does that relate to whatever Thomas was saying? For that matter, what is Thomas saying?

Comment author: Plasmon 17 July 2013 07:48:17PM 0 points [-]

No, with extremely high probability.

Are you sure?

Comment author: [deleted] 17 July 2013 07:58:48PM 0 points [-]

That's a really cool proof, but phase space can be exponentially large, especially for an "extremely complicated" system. It also requires finite bounds on system parameters.

For that to break my "extremely high probability", there would have to be relatively few orbits in the phase space approaching a space-filling set of curves, which is itself extremely unlikely, unless you can think up some pathological example.

It does weaken my statement, though.

Comment author: Rukifellth 17 July 2013 07:29:43PM 0 points [-]

Their mantra goes "You only live once!" or "Everyone is unique and unrepeatable person!".

He suggested that it was possible for a person to be repeated, mental state and all, given enough time. I thought to conceptualize the minds of people as being like extremely complicated systems with chaotic interactions to ask if his belief could be true.