William_Quixote comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 23, chapter 94 - Less Wrong
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Surprised no one has commented on this so far:
Two comments:
1) the last bit seems like Dumbledore in senitmental yet serious and regretful wise wizard mode. Harry is Dumbledore's hero and 'heir' if you will. Does Dumbledore wish he had some of Harry's cold intelligence? Does he think many of his dead friends and dead family could have been saved by someone who was harder than he was from the very beginning?
2) do people believe that there is an "heir of Gryffindor" and that its the twins?
I read this as Dumbledore lying to Harry or, charitably, messing with Harry and I wonder, "why?" Dumbledore is usualy honest. He usualy hides his meanings in plain sight and says true but misleading things.
Then again, so does Harry, but if he has the body he lied about it outright and without hesitation.
The whole conversation is actualy quite odd. Harry misquotes what the sword translates as, but he knows the quote very well and has even quoted it at Dumbledore before. Why does he botch the quote this time?
I interpreted this (with p<0.1) as foreshadowing Harry being Voldemort's heir, and Harry being Voldemort's idea of a better self (with power Voldemort knows not).
Yes. I think Dumbledore was trying to talk about either Slytherin or himself, but accidentally was foreshadowing Voldemort.
I think you are forgetting the context here of MoR: Godric Gryffindor has been set up as a quasi-emo/existentialist Hero, and heroism a painful uncertain path to travel, with countless sacrifices along the way. A life spent fighting and sacrificing beats out of one vanity and arrogance and certainty, as indeed Dumbledore himself has lost conviction and certainty. To quote the relevant passage in ch43:
Harry has said that he is surprised that Gryffindor would permit his heir to be people as frivolous and humorous and chaotic as the Weasley twins with all their youthful hijinks. To which Dumbledore replies,
Did Gryffindor wish his successors to be as grim and sad as him, did he wish to live such a life except as his war-torn world forced him to choose? No, of course not.
The twins are happy and enjoy their life.
Perhaps another time, another place, another life, Godric...
If only Godric's twin hadn't been killed at birth...
But not if he only has her brain.
That leaves out a third, and more sensible, alternative, which is choosing an heir which is the best person available. That person isn't likely to be an exact match to either the person who's doing the choosing or what that person thinks of as an improved version of themself.
Minerva, another Griffindor and the heir apparent as the next Headmaster of Hogwarts seems a likely heir.
When you're choosing across time, there are a lot more people available.
Is Quirrel exceedingly proud and vain? Does he want Harry to be his heir?
My first thought was that Dumbledore was referring to Salazar Slytherin. However, there can certainly be additional interpretations.
Harry insisted on a yes/no answer to whether they're "something like a(n) Heir of Gryffindor". Since Godric did in fact want any number of people to have access to his sword, and this is something like naming heirs, Albus gives up on correcting Harry's categories for the moment.
I think it's important that this comes just a few chapters after Dumbledore regrets resenting Harry for having spent his fortune to save Hermione, when he (Dumbledore) chose not to do so to save Aberforth.
(Ch. 84)
I think it somehow relevant that Dumbledore said, "Fred and George Weasley are the Heir of Gryffindor", not "Fred and George Weasley are the Heirs of Gryffindor".
Admittedly, I don't know what it means, but at this point, I think we can safely say that even minor quirks of grammar mean something in HPMoR.
As noted earlier, identical twins are basically the same person for magical purposes, to the point that an ancient civilization saw no moral problem in killing off one of them.
(To avert what happened the last time I said this - I do not necessarily agree with said ancient civilization. -_- )