Intrism comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 23, chapter 94 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Intrism 08 July 2013 07:48:49PM *  2 points [-]

Remember that Harry had just been hastily awoken long before his accustomed time. It's not unreasonable for Harry to be behaving a little bit awkwardly, and it certainly isn't enough of a tell for Dumbledore to draw any conclusions.

What does seem to be a bit of a tell is his strange behavior around the ring; he seems to deliberately create tension before the ring is verified in order to, apparently, play for sympathy afterwards.

Comment author: gthorneiii 09 July 2013 11:30:45PM 2 points [-]

I suggest that Harry, upon finding himself being interrogated about Hermione's remains, resolves to time turn himself after the meeting back to before he was woken and replace the Hermione gem with the Father's Rock gem. Only after resolving on this course of action is Harry ready to submit the gem to Dumbledore for examination.

He can stow the Hermione gem anywhere non-obvious in the meantime and recover it later.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 10 July 2013 01:54:55AM 0 points [-]

If that logic worked Hermione wouldn't have died in the first place.

Comment author: linkhyrule5 10 July 2013 02:07:26AM 2 points [-]

Not necessarily. We don't know what causes ontological loops to form. Precommitting seems to be insufficient, but that doesn't mean that Harry can't get a loop when he needs it.

Comment author: gthorneiii 10 July 2013 04:04:14PM 1 point [-]

Except that Harry didn't have access to his time turner prior to witnessing Hermione's death. Once something has happened it cannot be re-written in the self consistent time travel of the HPMORverse.

Harry did ask Dumbledore about ways to create the illusion of death in order to get around this hurdle (essentially allowing the information to be the appearance of Hermione's death as opposed to her actual death), but the Headmaster said he had tried something like that with disastrous results previously.

I know of nothing in the known rules of time travel in HPMOR that wouldn't allow for Harry to plan to swap gems. In fact, he used basically this exact same trick for the Remembrall and Torture incidents.