Dpar comments on Making Beliefs Pay Rent (in Anticipated Experiences) - Less Wrong

110 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 28 July 2007 10:59PM

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Comment author: Dpar 09 August 2010 09:42:10PM 1 point [-]

Alright, I think I see what you're getting it, but I still can't help but think that your definition of sensory experience is too broad to be really useful. I mean the only type of belief that it seems to filter out is absolute nonsense like "I have a third leg that I can never see or feel", did I get that about right?

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 09 August 2010 09:49:11PM *  1 point [-]

I mean the only type of belief that it seems to filter out is absolute nonsense like "I have a third leg that I can never see or feel", did I get that about right?

Yes. It happens all the time. It's one way nonsense protects itself, to persist for a long time in minds of individual people and cultures.

(More generally, see anti-epistemology.)

Comment author: Dpar 09 August 2010 09:55:46PM 1 point [-]

So essentially what you and Eliezer are referring to as "anticipated experience" is just basic falsifiability then?

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 09 August 2010 10:03:10PM 4 points [-]

With a bayesian twist: things don't actually get falsified, don't become wrong with absolute certainty, rather observations can adjust your level of belief.

Comment author: SilasBarta 09 August 2010 10:31:02PM 2 points [-]

Slightly OT, but this relates to something that really bugs me. People often bring up the importance of statistical analysis and the possibility of flukes/lab error, in order to prove that, "Popper was totally wrong, we get to completely ignore him and this out-dated, long-refuted notion of falsifiability."

But the way I see it, this doesn't refute Popper, or the notion of falsifiability: it just means we've generalized the notion to probabilistic cases, instead of just the binary categorization of "unfalsified" vs. "falsified". This seems like an extension of Popper/falsifiability rather than a refutation of it. Go fig.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 09 August 2010 11:11:25PM *  2 points [-]

I reached much clearer understanding once I've peeled away the structure of probability measure and got down to mathematically crisp events on sample spaces (classes of possible worlds). From this perspective, there are falsifiable concepts, but they usually don't constitute useful statements, so we work with the ones that can't be completely falsified, even though parts of them (some of the possible worlds included in them) do get falsified all the time, when you observe something.

Comment author: Dpar 09 August 2010 11:03:27PM *  4 points [-]

Ok, I understand what you mean now. Now that you've clarified what Eliezer meant by anticipated experience my original objection to it is no longer applicable. Thank you for an interesting and thought provoking discussion.