Solitaire comments on Why Eat Less Meat? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Salemicus 04 September 2013 11:40:36PM 2 points [-]

What about the way we treat others with whom we can't come to agreements? Is that a matter of morality? For example, consider young children. I suspect most people regard cruelty to a young child as a particular moral horror, precisely because the child cannot argue back or defend itself. Indeed, I would argue that our moral obligations are strongest to groups such as children.

Comment author: aelephant 06 September 2013 12:10:06AM 2 points [-]

To be completely honest, I agree with you but find it hard to come up for a good argument for why that should be. One way I've thought about it in the past is that the parents or caretakers of a child are sort of like stewards of a property that will be inherited one day. If I'm going to inherit a mansion from my grandfather on my 18th birthday, my parents can't arbitrarily decide to burn it down when I'm 17 & 364 days old. Harming children (physically or emotionally) is damaging the person they will be when they are an adult in a similar way.

Comment author: Solitaire 06 January 2014 12:49:43PM 0 points [-]

What about a mentally disabled person, or other groups of humans who will never be capable of consciously entering into a 'moral agreement' with society? Should they also be considered 'outside the realm of morality'? What makes them different from an animal, other than anthropocentricism?

Comment author: aelephant 10 January 2014 02:44:52AM 0 points [-]

Yes, I consider them outside the realm of morality. If a mentally disabled person committed murder, for example, he or she could not be held morally liable for their actions -- instead the parent or guardian has the moral & legal responsibility for making sure that he or she doesn't steal, kill, etc.

Comment author: Mestroyer 10 January 2014 03:44:27AM -1 points [-]

So are you saying it should only be considered "wrong" to torture mentally disabled people because of agreements made between non-mentally-disabled people, and if non-mentally-disabled people made a different agreement, then it would be okay?

Say the only beings in existence are you and a mentally disabled person. Are you bound by any morality in how you treat them?