byrnema comments on Belief in Belief - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Morendil 07 February 2010 06:27:14PM *  11 points [-]

I am in occasional contact with religious people, and they don't behave as the "separate magisteria" hypothesis would predict.

For instance, I have heard things along the following lines: "I hope my son gets better." "Well, that's not in your hands, that's in God's hands." All this said quite matter-of-factly.

There is active denial here of something that belongs in the magisterium of physical cause and effect, and active presumption of interference from the supposedly separate magisterium of faith.

Of course most of those people back down from the most radical consequences of these beliefs, they still go see a doctor when the situation warrants - although I understand a significant number do see conflict (or at least interaction) between their faith and medical interventions such as organ transplants or blood transfusions.

This isn't just an epiphenomenal dragon, it's a dragon whose proscriptions and prescriptions impinge on people's material lives.

Comment author: byrnema 07 February 2010 07:13:34PM *  4 points [-]

For instance, I have heard things along the following lines: "I hope my son gets better." "Well, that's not in your hands, that's in God's hands." All this said quite matter-of-factly.

I do not think this is the best example you could have given, because it can be interpreted -- and often is meant as -- just a version of the Serenity Prayer.

Much worse is when people promise to pray for you, or advise you to pray, as though this will improve the chances of everything turning out OK. In these cases, I try to just focus on their good intentions; that they will pray for me because they do care. However, sometimes I really do get quite upset with having to pretend that I'm grateful for and satisfied with their prayers when perhaps I would like more sympathy and emotional support or pragmatic help.