Kindly comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 25, chapter 96 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: thomblake 25 July 2013 02:35:11PM 7 points [-]

Given the timing, it seems more likely in-universe that the particular English translation of that bible passage was lifted from the wizard motto.

Comment author: Kindly 25 July 2013 03:02:35PM *  4 points [-]

It's a fairly literal translation. I think the most likely option is that the Potter motto was first taken from the Bible in Latin, and at some point after the completion of the King James Bible (in the 1600s) the motto was updated to English.

The Peverells were, after all, contemporaries of Godric Gryffindor (at least in the HPMoR universe), so they would've been all over the Latin mottoes.

Comment author: BlindIdiotPoster 25 July 2013 07:21:24PM 1 point [-]

I was actually under the impression that the Perverells lived before Merlin.

Comment author: Kindly 25 July 2013 08:41:16PM *  3 points [-]

To be honest, I've just been getting this idea from things other people have said. But in canon (apparently according to the book Harry Potter Film Wizardry), Ignotus Peverell was born in 1214, and I've found no evidence that this is different in HPMoR.

EDIT: Apparently it is different.

Hogwarts, on the other hand, was founded over a thousand years ago according to the Harry Potter books, while in HPMoR it is repeatedly stated to be eight hundred years old.

Comment author: thomblake 25 July 2013 03:35:48PM 0 points [-]

think the most likely option is that the Potter motto was first taken from the Bible in Latin, and at some point after the completion of the King James Bible (in the 1600s) the motto was updated to English.

The motto is in Old English in the story, presumably dating from the time of the Peverells. It may have been taken from the bible verse, but then your own argument raises the question, why didn't they write their motto in Latin?

Comment author: Kindly 25 July 2013 04:20:59PM 2 points [-]

The Old English is the prophecy, not the motto.

Comment author: thomblake 25 July 2013 06:33:42PM 0 points [-]

Right, I stand corrected.