Raiden comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 25, chapter 96 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Raiden 25 July 2013 04:41:42PM 0 points [-]

Three shall be Peverell's sons and three their devices by which Death shall be defeated.

What is meant by the three sons? Harry, Draco, and someone else? Quirrell perhaps? Using the three Deathly Hallows?

Comment author: CAE_Jones 28 July 2013 03:17:11AM 0 points [-]

On Reddit, there seems to be a substantial number of users hoping for Harry, Draco and Hermione. Draco makes some degree of sense (ur jnf gur znfgre bs gur Ryqre Jnaq sbe zbfg bs pnaba Qrnguyl Unyybjf), though the Hermione ideas are pretty handwavy (still, the idea of Hermione somehow resurrecting herself and mastering the Resurrection Stone is awesome, if hard to believe possible).

The main objection to Dumbledore as the master of the wand is his devout deathism; Quirrel participating as the master of the stone is much more believable.

Comment author: Spurlock 25 July 2013 05:05:46PM 12 points [-]

I interpreted this to mean that long ago, there were 3 Peverell brothers, each of which created one of the Hallows. Harry is descended from this family. Note that it doesn't say that "Pevererll's sons" will necessarily be the ones to use their devices to defeat Death, only that the devices are theirs.

Comment author: malthrin 25 July 2013 08:49:23PM 1 point [-]

'Shall be' refers to a change of future state, so it can't be about the way things are now.

Comment author: Spurlock 25 July 2013 11:12:15PM 7 points [-]

Agreed, but this prediction could be older than the Hallows and their creators.

Comment author: Kindly 26 July 2013 01:41:01PM 2 points [-]

Unlikely given it was "spoken in the presence of the three Peverell brothers".

Comment author: Spurlock 27 July 2013 12:21:32AM *  1 point [-]

Ah, I missed this, I think you're correct (upvoting you and maltrhin). I suppose that my interpretation is the one EY is trying to trick unobservant readers such as myself into making.

I do still think there's still some wiggle room for that interpretation though: Harry's whole outburst about Trelawney's "He's coming!" prophecy, where he said it couldn't possibly be about him because he's already arrived, would seem to indicate that EY is willing to use prophecies whose proper interpretation is not-quite-literal.

Comment author: CAE_Jones 28 July 2013 03:20:01AM 2 points [-]

Or maybe Harry was right, and "he" in the "tear apart the very stars" prophecies refers to death; after all, "he is here!" happened as soon as Hermione died, so death had indeed arrived at Hogwarts.

Comment author: Sheaman3773 04 September 2013 03:15:45AM 0 points [-]

It occurred long enough afterwards for Quirrell to realize, stop casting Fiendfyre, stop moving, land the broom, and then think for a small time. It wasn't the same instant.

Comment author: solipsist 26 July 2013 04:00:01PM *  2 points [-]

Though not spoken in Prophecy bold. It would be consistent for the brothers to have heard a retelling of a prophecy from before their birth. You could further fit evidence to this theory and claim that the Perevells' hearing of the prophecy caused great misfortune, and Dumbledore's wariness at bringing Harry to the Hall of Prophecy stems from this incident.

Comment author: Kindly 26 July 2013 06:57:11PM 2 points [-]

It would be a little too much, I think, for the omniscient narrator to "make a game of lying with truths".

Comment author: solipsist 25 July 2013 04:50:40PM 0 points [-]

I don't think they'll go this route, but the three heirs to Gryffindor and Slytherin (Fred, George, and Harry)?

Comment author: linkhyrule5 26 July 2013 06:54:58AM 0 points [-]

The reason both Fred and George can be the Heir to Gryffindor is because they're magically the same person, though...

Comment author: solipsist 26 July 2013 11:49:32AM *  2 points [-]

Good point. And speaking to the broader point, I think the chance of those three being the magic three is approximately nil. Slightly more likely than nil are the three current masters of the Deathly Hallows: Harry (Cloak), Dumbledore (Elder Wand), Quirrell (Resurrection Stone, though perhaps not master). Master of the Elder wand is very important in canon, and Master of the Cloak is important in this story.