mavant comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 25, chapter 96 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: mavant 27 July 2013 06:57:54PM 3 points [-]

Don't know if this has been suggested before, but:

Possibility: Harry's "Father's rock" is the Resurrection Stone. Giving this one low probability, since it has thus far demonstrated no other magical properties, and just seems like a way to get Harry to grind his Transfiguration and mana stats.

Possibility: Harry's "Father's rock" is the Philosopher's Stone. Giving this one even lower probability.

Possibility: The Philosopher's Stone is actually the Resurrection stone, or a similar magical construct. Middling probability; Dumbledore refers to Flamel insisting "the Stone" be kept at Hogwarts, but never mentions the Philosopher's Stone; it seems quite plausible that all of the "Philosopher's Stone" rumors are in fact obfuscations about the true nature of the object, and that Flamel's wealth has more to do with his alchemical talents and his having had six centuries to accumulate capital than an actual ability to transmute base metals into gold.

Harry dismisses the possibility of the Philosopher's Stone far too readily, especially considering he already knows that magic, at least to some degree, works the way you (or the creator of a spell) believe(s) it will work, AND knows that fruit which seems low-hanging to him is obviously not so to the rest of the magical world. This smells a little bit idiot-ball-ish to me, even if he is correct.

Comment author: Baughn 28 July 2013 12:18:05PM 1 point [-]

Note that the Philosopher's Stone in MoR is actually supposed to transmute base metals into silver, not gold. I can't help but think that this difference is suggestive; if it was purely the result of a happy death spiral, gold would make more sense.

Comment author: MugaSofer 29 July 2013 07:37:20AM 0 points [-]

Wait, could you pull a quote for that? I must have missed it.

Comment author: Benquo 29 July 2013 12:30:23PM 1 point [-]

I think there used to be something implying that in the exchange with Griphook in chapter 4, but it seems to have been rewritten.

Comment author: hairyfigment 29 July 2013 10:24:41PM 1 point [-]

Yes. And Ch 87 says, "gold or silver".

Comment author: MugaSofer 31 July 2013 03:54:33PM -1 points [-]

Ho ho. That is interesting.

Comment author: CAE_Jones 02 August 2013 01:06:45PM 3 points [-]

The real publication attributed to Flamel claims he transmuted silver, then some time later (years, as I recall) transmuted gold. Presumably silver is left out in most discussions of the stone because who would settle for silver when you could have gold?

Comment author: hairyfigment 28 July 2013 08:41:41AM 0 points [-]

Dumbledore (who has used Transfiguration in combat and lived) gave Harry his father's rock the day after Quirrell publicly accused Harry of always thinking purely of killing and novel ways to do it. I don't know if D wanted to encourage H in this, or to provide an alternative to some more dangerous action. (Maybe D has considered the possibility that Q has some dark reason for wanting Harry to learn the Killing Curse?) But I feel very sure that he was thinking of the use H did in fact make of it, and we don't need to imagine another purpose.

If anything, Dumbledore would want to keep the Philosopher's Stone more directly under his control, eg hidden under the lampshade in his office.