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I thought this site would be the last place I'd see criticism of the "suicide bomber as cowardly" notion. Under some definitions, sure, doing something you expect to result in your death, in pursuit of a higher goal, necessarily counts as courage. However, it would be justifiable to say they are intellectually cowardly. That is, rather than advance their ideas through persuasion, and suffer the risk that they may be proven wrong and have to update their worldview; rather than face a world where their worldview is losing, they "abandoned" the world and killed a lot of their intellectual adversaries.
It is an escape. There is, after all, no "refutation" for "I'm right because I'm blowing up myself and you".
It's for the same reason one might apply the "coward" label to a divorced, jealous husband, who tries to "get back" at his ex-wife by killing her or their child. He, too, exposes himself to immense risk (incarceration, or if they defend themselves). He too, is pursuing a broader goal. Yet in that case, my calling him a coward is not an artifact of my disagreement with his claim that he has legitimate grievances -- in fact, I might very well be on his side (i.e., that the courts did not properly adjudicate his claim).
So yes, it might be the "American" thing to say terrorists are cowardly -- but that doesn't make the claimant biased or wrong.
Is that what extremist Americans mean when they say cowardly?
Welcome to Less Wrong! Feel free to introduce yourself on that thread. Don't hesitate to browse the recommendations from the About page or start in on the Sequences. Kaj_Sotala also posted a first and a second list of favorite posts, which are also quite good.
Your point is a good one - I don't know if you read The Bottom Line (or Rationalization, the followup), but they make a similar point in a well-phrased way you might enjoy.
No, that's probably just belief as attire. My point is just that reasonable interpretations of "Suicide bombers are cowardly" allow the statement to be true, even if people don't mean the true version, or if they came to that conclusion for the wrong reason.