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40 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 02 August 2007 05:13PM

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Comment author: Silas 02 August 2007 06:45:02PM 6 points [-]

I thought this site would be the last place I'd see criticism of the "suicide bomber as cowardly" notion. Under some definitions, sure, doing something you expect to result in your death, in pursuit of a higher goal, necessarily counts as courage. However, it would be justifiable to say they are intellectually cowardly. That is, rather than advance their ideas through persuasion, and suffer the risk that they may be proven wrong and have to update their worldview; rather than face a world where their worldview is losing, they "abandoned" the world and killed a lot of their intellectual adversaries.

It is an escape. There is, after all, no "refutation" for "I'm right because I'm blowing up myself and you".

It's for the same reason one might apply the "coward" label to a divorced, jealous husband, who tries to "get back" at his ex-wife by killing her or their child. He, too, exposes himself to immense risk (incarceration, or if they defend themselves). He too, is pursuing a broader goal. Yet in that case, my calling him a coward is not an artifact of my disagreement with his claim that he has legitimate grievances -- in fact, I might very well be on his side (i.e., that the courts did not properly adjudicate his claim).

So yes, it might be the "American" thing to say terrorists are cowardly -- but that doesn't make the claimant biased or wrong.

Comment author: Document 03 August 2013 05:01:41AM *  1 point [-]

I used to assume (possibly through overapplied principle of charity) that the accusations of cowardice had to do with their "escaping" the consequences of their actions by dying, especially if they anticipated heaven.

Specifically, I wonder how comparatively scared they'd have been at the prospect of:

  • Surviving through being captured and extrajudicially detained
  • Surviving through being captured and subjected to a nationally televised trial
  • Destroying the towers, but somehow surviving long enough to be trapped in the wreckage with a dying Muslim girl who has no idea what's happening
  • Being given a teleporter they could use to escape just before the impact, knowing that each of their compatriots had refused the same offer
  • Being ordered to destroy the towers by firing a super rocket launcher in broad daylight in full view of bystanders
  • Being ordered to destroy the towers with remote explosives, then return to their normal lives with only themselves to know they'd helped kill thousands of people.