BrienneYudkowsky comments on Belief as Attire - Less Wrong

40 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 02 August 2007 05:13PM

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Comment author: BrienneYudkowsky 24 September 2013 04:48:30AM *  4 points [-]

In terms of humanly realistic psychology, the Muslims who flew planes into the World Trade Center undoubtedly saw themselves as heroes defending truth, justice, and the Islamic Way from hideous alien monsters a la the movie Independence Day. Only a very inexperienced nerd, the sort of nerd who has no idea how non-nerds see the world, would say this out loud in an Alabama bar.

I read this three times. First pass: What? Why? Maybe I missed something. rereads Second pass: Oh, would they not get the reference? But why would that be so bad? rereads Third pass: It's certainly plausible that it's severely overstating it to say they think of us as hideous alien monsters; I can think of other religious feelings that could lead to that level of bravery and dedication, so such a statement might make me seem insensitive and horribly ignorant. But I'm pretty sure random people in an Alabama bar wouldn't recognize that, so I'm still confused. reads on

Well. That's not good news for me is it?

Comment author: Nornagest 24 September 2013 05:55:32AM *  2 points [-]

Eliezer's probably saying that the patrons of said Alabama bar would be, shall we say, highly unlikely to appreciate the neutral point of view, probably due to ingroup biases. It's the arguments-as-soldiers thing again, and you're implicitly putting yourself on the wrong side.

I've never been to Alabama myself, so I don't know whether this is actually true or not. I suspect it wouldn't be as bad as he's implying (it might start an argument, but I wouldn't expect a fight), but that might be my optimism acting up.

Comment author: BrienneYudkowsky 24 September 2013 04:25:43PM 3 points [-]

Yes, I understood as soon as I read the next sentence. I just felt silly that I couldn't figure it out myself.