KnaveOfAllTrades comments on Rationality Quotes August 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: KnaveOfAllTrades 05 August 2013 12:00:56PM *  6 points [-]

Does this pay rent in policy changes? It seems probable that existing policy positions will already determine the contexts in which we might choose to apply this quote, so that the quote will only be generating the appearance of additional evidential weight, but will in fact result in double-counting if we use its applicability as evidence for or against a proposal, because we already chose to use the quote because we disagreed with the porposal. For example: 'This imperialist intervention is wrong—Fuck every cause that ends in murder and children crying.' Is the latter clause doing any work?

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Does this pay rent in suggested policies? It feels like under all plausible interpretations, it's at best 'I'm so righteous!' and possibly other things.)

Comment author: wedrifid 05 August 2013 12:20:07PM 8 points [-]

Does this pay rent in suggested policies?

Yes. It rules out all sorts of policies, including good ones. It likely rules out murdering Hitler to prevent a war, especially if that requires killing guards in order to get to him.

Comment author: KnaveOfAllTrades 05 August 2013 12:31:16PM *  3 points [-]

Upvoted; wording was bad. Edited.

Comment author: wedrifid 05 August 2013 01:12:51PM 3 points [-]

Upvoted; wording was bad. Edited.

I agree entirely with your new wording. This quote seems to be the sort of claim to bring out conditionally against causes we oppose but conveniently ignore when we support the cause.