PrometheanFaun comments on Better Rationality Through Lucid Dreaming - Less Wrong

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Comment author: katydee 19 October 2013 11:57:42PM *  10 points [-]

I think whether reality checks make you more rational largely depends on what sorts of checks you are using. There are many checks that exploit "surface-level" features of dreams-- most commonly inconsistencies in clock faces and written text upon second looks-- in order to determine whether one is dreaming. These checks are useful for determining whether you're asleep but generally limited otherwise.

However, there is one somewhat deeper feature of dreams that IMO provides a more useful opportunity both for reality checks and for rationality practice. Dreams, by their very nature, lack a logical underpinning for events. We tend to find ourselves in the middle of a series of events without much explanation for how or why we arrived there.

Thus, one reality check that I find useful both in dreams and waking life is the thought "where am I, and how did I get here?" For instance, right now I am at my computer, typing a LessWrong post. I got here from waking up in my room and walking downstairs. I got to my room from driving my car after a party with friends last night.

Obviously, this type of reasoning can go on and on. The interesting part is that dreams lack this.

For instance, I recently dreamed that I was on an airplane. I thought to myself "How did I get on this airplane?" Realizing I had no memory of getting to the airport, I became lucid. You might wonder how this applies to rationality. The answer is that "Where am I and how did I get here" can easily apply not only to physical reality, but also to your mind and thoughts. Indeed, it is very similar to "What do you think you know, and how do you think you know it--" one of the classic questions of human rationality.

In my experience, internalizing the general form of this principle has been very useful both for dream checking and for improving rationality.

Comment author: PrometheanFaun 26 October 2013 03:55:31AM *  1 point [-]

Great answer, I know this is something I need to do more in life anyway. So I did a little bit of it just now. Sudden increase in levels of curiosity[so virtuous. Wow.]. I'm so curious I even want to know crap like why my housemate sometimes leaves a spoon stuck in the coffee grounds of the compost container. Obviously they used the spoon to move the grounds in there, but why did they leave it stuck there rather than moving it to the cutlery dip in the wash basin? Now that is an extraordinarily minor detail- take that as an indication of just how motivating it is to suspect that you don't look closely enough at the details of your life to know whether you're in a shoddy simulation.