Lumifer comments on Engaging Intellectual Elites at Less Wrong - Less Wrong

11 Post author: lukeprog 13 August 2013 05:55PM

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Comment author: calef 13 August 2013 07:16:26PM *  2 points [-]

I initially had an extremely negative emotional response to this post. Then I realized you actually point out exactly why I had such a response with point number 2.

Less Wrong has a language problem.

To someone first coming to read the discussion forum with only a vague idea of what Less Wrong represents (maybe even slightly biased towards thinking of the community as an elitist cultish ivory tower exercise in intellectual masturbation), this post, to be short, doesn't help.

What makes this sort of funny is that your actual message is just, "We want more high quality content producers." which is completely harmless and the implicit goal of any fledgling online community aiming to grow. But you wrap this message in the exclusionary, "We want more smart people."

I'd argue that you achieve both goals by just attracting more people to the community. Consider something like the sprawling Somethingawful forums. The only barrier to entry is $10.00, and there's a thriving science and academics subforum.

Definitely remove the jargon. This would help on the cult side of things. And for pete's sake, don't go fishing for "Intellectual Elites", just try and grow the community--elites will come in due time.

Comment author: Lumifer 13 August 2013 08:39:08PM 4 points [-]

Consider something like the sprawling Somethingawful forums.

Are you suggesting that LW should evolve towards something resembling SA? 8-0 That's an... unusual idea.

Comment author: calef 13 August 2013 08:48:57PM 0 points [-]

Luke was asking for "high quality relatively general interest forums". Somethingawful is damn near foundational as a general interest forum community, and has high quality, albeit niche subforums.

The point wasn't that Lesswrong should be more like Somethingawful, the point was that attracting a larger user-base will incidentally achieve Luke's goal.

Comment author: Lumifer 13 August 2013 09:05:01PM 1 point [-]

I will admit that my knowledge of SA and its environment and culture is limited, but nothing I've seen would cause me to think of them as particularly "high quality".

...will incidentally achieve Luke's goal

I don't know what his goal is.

Comment author: satt 14 August 2013 12:21:46AM *  3 points [-]

I will admit that my knowledge of SA and its environment and culture is limited, but nothing I've seen would cause me to think of them as particularly "high quality".

I haven't read the SA forums regularly in a while, but AFAIK they're like Reddit: the good stuff's tucked away in (some of) the lower traffic specialist subforums, while the more popular, general subforums naturally lie at the lowest common denominator level because of the sheer number of people reading & posting.

Comment author: gwern 14 August 2013 12:48:15AM 7 points [-]

My webpages sometimes are linked on the SA forums (usually relating to either nootropics or Neon Genesis Evangelion; I've poked around the relevant threads looking for useful points or citations or criticism). Nothing about them ever made me think that the SA forums were unusually insightful or intelligent.

Comment author: moridinamael 14 August 2013 12:59:42AM 4 points [-]

This is why veteran SA goons never read the general discussion page. =)

Comment author: Risto_Saarelma 14 August 2013 07:00:03AM 0 points [-]

SA is a good forum as long as you consider "Hey everybody look at this asshole!" a good style of argument.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 15 August 2013 02:27:55AM 0 points [-]

With "asshole" generally defined as someone arguing unpopular positions.

Comment author: Risto_Saarelma 15 August 2013 03:11:27AM *  0 points [-]

With "asshole" generally defined as someone arguing unpopular positions.

Often it's just people being stupid, and the approach works quite nicely. But then it's also this pretty much every time someone does that.