TrE comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 26, chapter 97 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: buybuydandavis 15 August 2013 09:30:19AM *  4 points [-]

I like that Harry's gloves have come off, and he's planning on making full use of transfiguration as a weapon. About time.

Harry had by now caught the general rhythm of Professor Quirrell's cynicism and was able to generate it independently.

Lot's of Quirrellness coming out.

Comment author: TrE 15 August 2013 10:16:36AM *  13 points [-]

And bear in mind that sulfuric acid is only one possibility among several!

Liquid oxygen, which is also pretty easy to produce or acquire, expands quite a bit when it evaporates, and rapidly oxidizes all of your pretty organic chemistry. If you could ship enough liquid oxygen (transfigured into something else) inside a human, they would burn and explode when the transfiguration wears off.

Botulinum toxin was also mentioned in the fic and is the weapon of choice for DIY genocide.

Pyrophoric substances, transfigured and then finely ground, will start burning in an oxygen-containing atmosphere.

Obtain nuclear weapons material (the hard part) and transfigure several subcritical pieces into iron, assemble them to give one large ball, drop it (or bury it underground), and run.

Certainly not all of these are practical, but all of them sound awesome.

Comment author: Dreaded_Anomaly 16 August 2013 03:57:48AM 12 points [-]

We could just run through the whole list of Things I Won't Work With.

Comment author: Fermatastheorem 17 August 2013 08:56:00AM 9 points [-]

prolonged scream

Comment author: monsterzero 17 August 2013 12:28:16AM 2 points [-]

Thank you for that link. I particularly enjoyed reading about "Azidoazide Azides, More Or Less".

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 19 August 2013 03:00:52AM 5 points [-]

The compound exploded in solution, it exploded on any attempts to touch or move the solid, and (most interestingly) it exploded when they were trying to get an infrared spectrum of it.

Comment author: [deleted] 15 August 2013 08:43:15PM 5 points [-]
Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 19 August 2013 03:01:41AM 4 points [-]

It's been done, in Dungeon Keeper Ami.

Comment author: somervta 16 August 2013 01:34:27AM 4 points [-]

I'd like to think that Harry isn't crazy enough to play with ClF3.

Comment author: Fermatastheorem 16 August 2013 05:07:27AM 7 points [-]

(...but we know he is.)

Comment author: Gurkenglas 18 August 2013 07:36:38PM *  2 points [-]

Get Fred and George to transfigure half a supercritical sphere of nuclearbombium each (lasts a few hours), transfigure Freds into the same shape made of lead (lasts maybe half an hour), combine them into a sphere and teleport away with the phoenix that plan undeniably earned. (Yes, I know it was said everyone gets only one chance for a phoenix and Harry failed his)

Comment author: bogdanb 28 August 2013 10:13:49PM 0 points [-]

Also: Metallic sodium and potassium, as well as phosphorus, are quite reactive with human tissue. For bonus points you can make a mixed projectile with two transfigurations, e.g. a core transfigured from ice surrounded by a shell transfigured from sodium, which will explode once the two transfigurations end.

Comment author: Aureateflux 17 August 2013 01:40:07AM 0 points [-]

I'm morbidly curious to know what forms of genocide aren't DIY genocide...

Comment author: TrE 17 August 2013 06:06:28AM 3 points [-]

The Holocaust, the Bosnian genocide and the Rwandan genocide I would not consider "DIY" genocide since they weren't the result of a single human's actions, but required support from their society. In contrast, a single competent evil (or mad) wizard is, as Harry put it, an extinction event.

Comment author: Aureateflux 19 August 2013 03:56:24PM 3 points [-]

So, just to clarify, by DIY you mean one person effects the entire genocide rather than many people personally involved in the genocide, doing the killing themselves. In a sense, the Y in your DIY is singular, and the Y in mine is plural.

Also, my general schema of "DIY" is that it's a cheaper but more difficult alternative to the normal approach--which usually involves hiring someone to do your project for you or buying a ready-made product. Since most genocides tend to be executed the hard way-- you can't buy genocide in a box, although some chemical weapons might come close-- I felt that genocide is fundamentally a DIY project. It's just a ... fun ... project for the whole community, rather than one person. Like building a playground. That kills people. (This is going to a very bad place isn't it?)

I'm able to accept your definition of DIY, though I still prefer to think that genocides require a certain degree of personal agency from its participants and that second person pronouns can be plural.

Comment author: monsterzero 15 August 2013 12:20:32PM *  0 points [-]

Fulminated mercury.

Edited to add: Sorry, been rewatching old Breaking Bad. You'd have to trick them into chewing it or something, wouldn't you?

Comment author: bogdanb 28 August 2013 10:42:25PM 0 points [-]

I think the rapid expansion when the transfiguration ends would be enough to set it off.

Comment author: TrE 15 August 2013 02:02:43PM *  0 points [-]

Well, for the first two of my suggestions, the victim would need to have ingested or inhaled that stuff. So smoke would probably also work. Though I wouldn't want to be nearby in that scenario.