Qiaochu_Yuan comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 26, chapter 97 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 15 August 2013 09:00:52PM 4 points [-]

Why?

Comment author: OnTheOtherHandle 15 August 2013 10:53:32PM 21 points [-]

I don't know about the parent, but personally I liked this line because it debunks the cached thought that "using" someone is always wrong. Humans use one another all the time for all sorts of things, from a grad student using his mentor to advance his career to an overworked executive using her goofy laid-back friends to keep her blood pressure down. People tend to only consider one very narrow and destructive meaning of the word "use", and then come to the conclusion that you can't have a genuine caring relationship with someone if you pursue it for personal benefit. The grad student can still admire and love his mentor even though the main point of that relationship is so he can get a PhD. If you do care about the person, you'd try to arrange it so that your use will help them too.

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 16 August 2013 03:03:42AM 9 points [-]

That's one reading, I guess. Another reading is that this is the kind of line you might use to justify the narrow and destructive kind of using to yourself. Seems a little dangerous is all.

Comment author: OnTheOtherHandle 16 August 2013 04:34:12AM 2 points [-]

That's true, and in this context it doesn't seem like Harry was being entirely fair. I liked that line better the first time around, when Harry applied it to how Quirrell used him. He was wrong, but I thought it was interesting that he chose to view it in that light.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 16 August 2013 07:54:52AM 7 points [-]

Because of what OtherHandle said, basically. Yes, it can be a dangerous and self-serving attitude that you use merely to rationalize your abuse of another person, but I also find there to be something refreshingly honest about it, at least if you're open about it (which Harry admittedly wasn't).

Reading that line caused me and a friend to have a very pleasant conversation of the ways in which we are going to use each other for our mutual benefit in the future. :)