MugaSofer comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 26, chapter 97 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: DanArmak 16 August 2013 08:19:14AM 1 point [-]

If the goblins allow wizards to bring in gold to be minted, as Griphook told Harry, then how would they decide what wizards to work with? Every wizard can steal an effectively unlimited amount of gold from Muggle vaults. If many wizards did so, and then the goblins refused to turn most of that gold into Galleons, this would probably act to break their monopoly as a market in gold and/or other coins naturally emerged.

Unless wizards all agree not to value raw gold at all, only Galleons. That seems implausible.

Comment author: MugaSofer 21 August 2013 05:21:49PM -1 points [-]

I suspect anyone bringing in such a large pile of gold would be immediately arrested, or at least investigated, unless they had a damn good story.

Comment author: DanArmak 21 August 2013 08:56:02PM 2 points [-]

Why? The goblins take a percentage for the minting, so they want the minting to go ahead.

Comment author: MugaSofer 24 August 2013 12:15:27PM -1 points [-]

But does the Ministry - who are the ones with aurors - want muggles wondering why there's so little gold nowadays? Not to mention the sudden rich people messing up the established power balance.

Comment author: DanArmak 24 August 2013 02:01:40PM 1 point [-]

Again, why would the Ministry not take the gold for themselves instead of guarding it for the Muggles? Note that the explanation has to hold across all of recorded history, in many nations and times.

Comment author: MugaSofer 26 August 2013 03:49:58PM -1 points [-]

Why would the Ministry do that? I'm kind of drawing a blank here. Sure, the Magical government (maybe not the Ministry, since you can be fined for breaking the statute of secrecy) could probably pull it off (although it would have all sorts of repercussions.) But ... I'm having a hard time imagining them doing so.

Honestly, can you imagine a Muggle government doing something like that? I mean, it's not perfectly analogous, but I'd say your average army could fill in for magic here.

Comment author: DanArmak 26 August 2013 04:07:18PM 2 points [-]

I didn't mean the Ministry would steal Muggle gold and put it in the Ministry fund. I meant some Minister, or Head Auror, or other well-connected person, would steal it for himself (plus bribes to the guards to look the other way).

And yes, I totally believe that Muggle ministers would do that if they could, and in fact have done so many times in Muggle history.

Comment author: MugaSofer 26 August 2013 04:45:42PM -1 points [-]

I didn't mean the Ministry would steal Muggle gold and put it in the Ministry fund. I meant some Minister, or Head Auror, or other well-connected person, would steal it for himself (plus bribes to the guards to look the other way).

Oh, right. Yeah, that's a bit more plausible, I have to admit.

And yet ... still very hard. Unless you're already really really rich? I guess?

And yes, I totally believe that Muggle ministers would do that if they could, and in fact have done so many times in Muggle history.

Well, maybe via war...

Comment author: Larks 26 August 2013 05:41:05PM *  1 point [-]

Well, maybe via war...

Nope, sometimes the government just steals everyone's gold.

Comment author: MugaSofer 26 August 2013 06:38:33PM *  -2 points [-]

That ... doesn't seem like a great example.

Comment author: DanArmak 26 August 2013 06:26:59PM 1 point [-]

Well, maybe via war...

It used to be that governments would debase their coinage whenever they needed money. Today, of course, we're all taught that constant inflation is good for us.

Comment author: MugaSofer 26 August 2013 06:37:00PM *  -1 points [-]

Which, while admittedly very annoying to those poor suckers who already possess money, is rather different to launching a strike team to physically empty bank vaults.