Randaly comments on Humans are utility monsters - Less Wrong

67 Post author: PhilGoetz 16 August 2013 09:05PM

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Comment author: Randaly 18 August 2013 03:44:23AM 1 point [-]

I am fairly confident that I haven't understood your point, as it doesn't seem to me to address the discussion above. My interpretation of your post is that it claims that people engaged in ancestor worship were factually wrong about whether their dead ancestors still counted as humans- e.g. whether or not they experienced anything. However, this is irrelevant to the question under discussion- of whether or not ancestor worship is a counter-example to the claim that most people throughout history haven't cared about non-humans. All that matters for this claim is whether or not most ancestor-worshippers thought that their ancestors qualified as people.

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 23 August 2013 01:52:47PM 3 points [-]

I think the point that fubarobfusco was trying to make with that was a partial refutation of the "narrowing circle" thesis that says we care less about people not like us today than in the past. S/he was trying to say, "we haven't stopped caring about anyone we used to care about, we've just stopped believing in them. If we still believed our dead ancestors had feelings, we'd still care about them."

You're correct that all that matters for the question "did ancestor-worshippers care for non-humans" is whether the ancestor-worshippers thought their ancestors were human.