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Comment author: gwern 25 August 2013 04:39:09PM *  1 point [-]

I have made it up to episode 5 of Umineko, and I've found one incident in particular unusually easy to resolve (easy enough that though the answer hasn't been suggested by anyone in-game, I am sure that I know how it was/could be done); I'm wondering how much it is due to specialized knowledge and whether it really looks harder to other people. (Because of the curse of knowledge, it's now difficult for me to see whether the puzzle really is as trivial as it looks to me.) So, a little poll, even though LWers are not the best people to ask.


In episode 5, an unknown caller phones Natsuhi in her locked personal room. He says he's predicted her favorite season of the year, and asks her what it really is. She replies 'winter', and he says that is what he predicted. She is skeptical and he tells her to look underneath a clock in her room. She does and finds a slip of paper with the word 'winter' on it: he had been there earlier and left it as proof of his prediction. Natsuhi is shocked and mystified.

How sure are you that you know how he did it?

Very No idea

How would you rate your familiarity with cryptography?

It's gibberish to me I use hashes all the time!

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Comment author: gjm 31 August 2013 08:49:56PM 1 point [-]

I'm rather alarmed at how many people appear to have said they're very sure they know how he did it, on (I assume, but I think it's pretty clear) the basis of having thought of one very credible way he could have done it.

I'm going to be optimistic and suppose that all those people thought something like "Although gwern asked how sure we are that we know how it was done, context suggests that the puzzle is really 'find a way to do it' rather than 'identify the specific way used in this case', so I'll say 'very' even though for all I know there could be other ways'.

(For what it's worth, I pedantically chose the "middle" option for that question, but I found the same obvious solution as everyone else.)

Comment author: gwern 01 September 2013 02:55:45PM 1 point [-]

I'm going to be optimistic and suppose that all those people thought something like "Although gwern asked how sure we are that we know how it was done, context suggests that the puzzle is really 'find a way to do it' rather than 'identify the specific way used in this case', so I'll say 'very' even though for all I know there could be other ways'.

In the case of Umineko, there's not really any difference between 'find a way' and 'find the way', since it adheres to a relativistic Schrodinger's-cat-inspired epistemology where all that matters is successfully explaining the observed evidence. So I don't expect the infelicitous wording to make a difference.

Comment author: gjm 01 September 2013 04:24:00PM 0 points [-]

In the case of Umineko, there's not really any difference [...]

Ah, OK. I wasn't aware of that bit of context. Thanks.

Comment author: gwern 23 September 2013 02:38:56PM *  0 points [-]

As it turns out, there's a second possible way using a detail I didn't bother to mention (because I assumed it was a red herring and not as satisfactory a solution anyway):

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