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Comment author: Kawoomba 24 August 2013 04:26:16PM 7 points [-]

how sure are you that whole brain emulations would be conscious

Slightly less than I am that you are.

is there anything we can do now to to get clearer on consciousness?

Experiments that won't get approved by ethics committees (suicidal volunteers PM me).

Comment author: novalis 24 August 2013 05:13:24PM 8 points [-]

Before I tell my suicidal friends to volunteer, I want to make sure that your experimental design is good. What experiment are you proposing?

Comment author: Kawoomba 24 August 2013 05:41:14PM 2 points [-]

Well, it'd be double blind, so I wouldn't know exactly what I'm doing with my scalpel.

There may be -- hypothetically speaking -- various combinations of anesthetics and suppression microelectrode neural probes involved. Would also be BYOCNS (bring your own craz...curious neurosurgeon) due to boring legal reasons.

Comment author: DanielLC 26 August 2013 06:22:34PM 2 points [-]

It's still not clear. Can you give me an example of an experiment? It's likely we can figure out the result without actually running the experiment. It's sort of like how I can figure out how an em of you would respond to a philosophical question by showing that they'll answer the same as you, and then asking you.

Comment author: Kawoomba 26 August 2013 06:28:48PM 2 points [-]

How much (and which parts) can you take away and still have what one would call "consciousness"? Actual experiments would force an experimentally usable definition just as much as they'd provide data, potentially yielding advances on two fronts.

We have one box which somehow produces what some call consciousness. Most looks inside the box rely on famous freak accidents ("H.M", etc.), yielding ridiculous breakthroughs. Time to create some "freak accidents" of our own.

Time to pry open dat box.