What if it had only been verified that the em's overall behavior perfectly corresponds to its biological template (i.e. without corresponding subparts down to your chosen ground level)?
What if e.g. groups of neurons could be perfectly (and more efficiently) simulated, using an algorithm which doesn't need to retain a "synapse" construct?
Do you feel that some of the biological structural features on some level of granularity need to have clearly identifiable point-to-point counterparts in the algorithm?
If so, why stop at "synaptic compartments", why not go to some even finer-grained level? You presumably wouldn't insist on the algorithm explicitly simulating atoms (or elementary particles), groups of those (you'd probably agree) may be abstracted from, using higher-level functionally equivalent subalgorithms.
Since in any case, "verified surface correspondence" is a given (i.e. all em-implementations aren't differentiable from a black-box view), on what basis would you say which (functionally superfluous) parts may be optimized away, and which must be preserved? Choosing "synaptic compartments" seems like privileging the hypothesis based on what's en vogue in literature.
This is probably another variant of the hard problem of consciousness, and unless resource requirements do not play any role at all, it's unlikely that ems won't end up being simulated as efficiently as possible (and synaptic compartments be damned), especially since the ems will profess not to notice a thing (functional equivalence).
What if it had only been verified that the em's overall behavior perfectly corresponds to its biological template (i.e. without corresponding subparts down to your chosen ground level)?
Since whole brains are not repeatable, verifying behavioral isomorphism with a target would require a small enough target that its internal interactions were repeatable. (Then, having verified the isomorpmism, you tile it across the whole brain.)
...What if e.g. groups of neurons could be perfectly (and more efficiently) simulated, using an algorithm which doesn't need to
- Eliezer Yudkowsky, "Value is Fragile"
I had meant to try to write a long post for LessWrong on consciousness, but I'm getting stuck on it, partly because I'm not sure how well I know my audience here. So instead, I'm writing a short post, with my main purpose being just to informally poll the LessWrong community on one question: how sure are you that whole brain emulations would be conscious?
There's actually a fair amount of philosophical literature about issues in this vicinity; David Chalmers' paper "The Singularity: A Philosophical Analysis" has a good introduction to the debate in section 9, including some relevant terminology:
So, on the functionalist view, emulations would be conscious, while on the biological view, they would not be.
Personally, I think there are good arguments for the functionalist view, and the biological view seems problematic: "biological" is a fuzzy, high-level category that doesn't seem like it could be of any fundamental importance. So probably emulations will be conscious--but I'm not too sure of that. Consciousness confuses me a great deal, and seems to confuse other people a great deal, and because of that I'd caution against being too sure of much of anything about consciousness. I'm worried not so much that the biological view will turn out to be right, but that the truth might be some third option no one has thought of, which might or might not entail emulations are conscious.
Uncertainty about whether emulations would be conscious is potentially of great practical concern. I don't think it's much of an argument against uploading-as-life-extension; better to probably survive as an up than do nothing and die for sure. But it's worrisome if you think about the possibility, say, of an intended-to-be-Friendly AI deciding we'd all be better off if we were forcibly uploaded (or persuaded, using its superhuman intelligence, to "voluntarily" upload...) Uncertainty about whether emulations would be conscious also makes Robin Hanson's "em revolution" scenario less appealing.
For a long time, I've vaguely hoped that advances in neuroscience and cognitive science would lead to unraveling the problem of consciousness. Perhaps working on creating the first emulations would do the trick. But this is only a vague hope, I have no clear idea of how that could possibly happen. Another hope would be that if we can get all the other problems in Friendly AI right, we'll be able to trust the AI to solve consciousness for us. But with our present understanding of consciousness, can we really be sure that would be the case?
That leads me to my second question for the LessWrong community: is there anything we can do now to to get clearer on consciousness? Any way to hack away at the edges?