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Comment author: TimFreeman 13 May 2011 02:24:21AM *  2 points [-]

Makes sense, if the universe can be chopped up that way. If "what is true" overlaps enough with your social situation and you aren't good at lying, it might not make sense. I suppose the Litany of Gendlin was not meant to be universally applicable.

Comment author: shokwave 13 May 2011 05:51:36AM 1 point [-]

Take an example: coming out to a homophobic friend. Now, I'm gay - due to conditioning, I may feel bad about "I am straight" being false. Owning up to being gay won't make ""I am straight" is false" any worse, cause it's already true. This is the limit of the Litany of Gendlin, because my homophobic friend doesn't know I'm gay. So "X thinks I am straight" is true, not false, and owning up to it WILL make it worse, because it changes my friend's belief from true to false (and then they will act upon that belief).

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 13 May 2011 06:26:25AM 7 points [-]

Acknowledging the truth of ""I am straight" is false" doesn't make anything worse.

Acknowledging the truth of "X thinks I'm straight" doesn't make anything worse.

Telling X that you're gay could make things worse for you, but that's not the type of thing that the Litany of Gendlin applies to: It's taking an action, not acknowledging a truth.

(I think that's what you meant, but your wording seems to have gotten confused toward the end if so.)

Comment author: shokwave 13 May 2011 03:03:12PM 0 points [-]

(I think that's what you meant, but your wording seems to have gotten confused toward the end if so.)

Indeed it did.

Comment author: RRam 07 November 2015 08:03:34AM 0 points [-]

Case of management of truth