metastable comments on To what degree do you model people as agents? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: pscheyer 26 August 2013 02:16:39AM 10 points [-]

After joining the military, where executive function on demand is sort of the meta-goal of most training exercises, i found that having a set wardrobe actually saves a great deal of mental effort. You just don't realize how much time you spend worrying about clothes until you have a book which literally has all the answers and can't be deviated from. I know that this was also a thing that Steve Jobs did- one 'uniform' for life. President Obama apparently does it as well. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacquelynsmith/2012/10/05/steve-jobs-always-dressed-exactly-the-same-heres-who-else-does/

There are a number of other things i've learned for this which are maybe worth writing up as a separate post. Not sure if that's within the purview of LW though.

Comment author: metastable 26 August 2013 03:06:34AM 9 points [-]

I agree, though it's always been interesting to me how the tiniest details of clothing become much clearer signals when eveybody's almost the same. Other military practices that I think conserve your energy for what's important:

-Daily, routinized exercise. Done in a way that very few people are deciding what comes next.

-Maximum use of daylight hours

-Minimized high-risk projects outside of workplace (paternalistic health care, insurance, and in many cases, housing and continuing education.)

Comment author: KnaveOfAllTrades 26 August 2013 03:41:04AM *  2 points [-]

It's plausible to me that a much higher proportion of peeps than is generally realized operate substantially better on different sleep schedules to what a 9-5 job forces, in which case enforced maximal (or at least, greater) use of daylight hours is possibly taking place on a societal (global?) level, though not as strongly as in militaries.

Comment author: metastable 26 August 2013 04:22:11AM 6 points [-]

This is plausible to me, too. I've had very productive friends with very different rhythms.

But I suspect far more people believe they operate best staying up late and sleeping late than actually do. There's a reason day shifts frequently outperform night shifts given the same equipment. And we know a lot of people suffer health-wise on night shift.

Comment author: Document 26 August 2013 07:36:33PM *  1 point [-]

I don't think one forced sleep schedule outperforming another is strong evidence that forced schedules are better than natural schedules.

Edit: Also, depending on geography, time of year and commute a 9-5 job may force one to get up some time before dawn and/or stay up some time after dark.

Comment author: Decius 27 August 2013 01:10:04AM 1 point [-]

I also intuit that most people do best on a non-forced sleep schedule; I don't think that many people know how to have a unforced schedule.