Viliam_Bur comments on Use Your Identity Carefully - Less Wrong

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Comment author: troll 27 August 2013 08:48:26PM 0 points [-]

I don't really think of my identity when I do things. I don't notice it at all.

I just assume I'm always in a calm analytic mode of thinking, even when I subconsciously know that's not the case.

Others view my identity with disgust and immediately dismiss what I have to say. I'm not really sure anything would help bring my point across correctly.

There will always be people who don't have time for you and aren't in a learning mindset, or just don't see you as anything other than an antagonist when you start trying to have a real conversation or suggest new things.

I probably should just avoid those people, and stop trying to convince people in general unless I have a pretty good chance of success, but my entire life is built around convincing others. I'd be happier not having this goal, but I still have it.

I just don't know how to approach a life without standpoints and arguing. It's not something I've built myself for. I don't know where to start and I don't know how to have a good time starting.

It'd be great if there was help for this, or some guiding light for approaching this. I honestly just am lost at this point.

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 31 August 2013 12:49:13PM *  0 points [-]

my entire life is built around convincing others. I'd be happier not having this goal, but I still have it.

Given these two options, would you rather:

a) do more convincing, but be less successful at it; or

b) do less convincing, but be more successful at it.

Where by (b) I mean not only more successful per person, but globally. For example, in (a) you speak with 100 people and you convince 1, in (b) you speak with 10 people and you convince 3.

If (b) is your preferred option, you may try to frame all refraining from arguing as moving from (a) to (b). The less you push people, the more likely they are to listen what you say. Also, if you argue for fewer cases, they are more likely to remember those cases, but if you argue for many cases, they are likely to remember you simply as a person who always argues.