EternalStargazer comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 27, chapter 98 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: EternalStargazer 28 August 2013 10:01:42PM *  26 points [-]

Well, this chapter is just full of delicious puns, apart from the entire plot advancement thing.

Auxiliary Protective Special Committee.

APSC

Absurdly Powerful Student Council.

Daphne worried that Draco would be skinned and turned into Leather Pants.

Draco returns "at the turn of the tide" wearing white (silver) robes. He's Draco the White.. err.. Silver.

Considering the short length of the chapter, and combined with the call forward to Book V's Ministerial Education Decrees, that's a good number of references.

The real question is where does it go from here.

Comment author: undermind 29 August 2013 04:22:06PM 21 points [-]

Where it goes from here: If the enemy actually wants to defeat this coalition, nothing happens. This is a temporary alliance against an outside threat, and if said threat goes away, the alliance will probably collapse of its own accord. (It may bring some lasting changes to the leadership of Hogwarts, but people will chafe against the strict security, and old and new grudges will emerge, and the coalition will break.)

If the enemy has been breeding Harry/Draco as the future leader of Magical Britain (much more likely), they will continue to attack or otherwise be active, probably conceding many victories to the new Kids' Coalition.

Comment author: WalterL 29 August 2013 07:04:33PM 1 point [-]

Well said.

I do think there's a difference between the enemy setting up Harry and Draco as future leader though. If they wanted Draco, well and done, and they'll do as you say. If they want Harry to lead, however, they are unlikely to be thrilled with his new role of invisible assassin.

Comment author: gattsuru 30 August 2013 03:44:21PM 0 points [-]

That may depend on who wants Harry to lead. To Canon!Voldemort, invisible assassin was a sort of leadership. To HPMoR!Dumbledore, not as much, albeit still more so than most. On the other hand, Yudkowsky takes the strong version of Aumann's agreement theorem. To Rationalist!Harry, the person matters less than the rationality and the priors.

What Quirrelmort wants... that's more complicated.

Comment author: Baughn 30 August 2013 03:20:35PM 0 points [-]

Draco as future leader? Well, that just means Harry is the power behind the throne.

Which, to be fair, is pretty much correct.

Comment author: ChristianKl 30 August 2013 09:38:44PM 1 point [-]

Over the long run Harry wants to be a scientist and no politician.

Comment author: Fermatastheorem 31 August 2013 04:32:28AM *  3 points [-]

World dom... er, optimization doesn't include politics?

Comment author: fractalman 02 September 2013 12:34:31AM 1 point [-]

He thinks draco is much more suited to dealing with the politics, and that it's much less work to optimize draco's morals and hand power to him than to figure out how to navigate a political atmosphere for himself.

To put it crudely, harry plans to use draco as a puppet.

Comment author: mjr 02 September 2013 06:23:04AM 0 points [-]

But no doubt as a strong puppet ;)

Comment author: hairyfigment 29 August 2013 08:00:08PM -1 points [-]

What if they want a more assassin-like version of Harry to lead?

I think an intelligent enemy won't consider Draco, or the manipulation thereof, much of an obstacle. But yes, it could irritate such a person.

Comment author: shminux 28 August 2013 11:17:50PM *  3 points [-]

And its elite SS (Silver Slytherin) troops?

Comment author: CAE_Jones 29 August 2013 12:32:05AM 2 points [-]

Silver Slytherin reminds me of the Silver Snakes (one of the teams on Legend of the Hidden Temple), though that particular alliteration and image-matching could very easily have been generated independently given there's a literal silver snake in the room.