DanielLC comments on Open thread, September 2-8, 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: DanielLC 02 September 2013 07:21:36PM 2 points [-]

I can't remember the article where this was stated, but we have instincts for morality because following them made our ancestors more successful. They're their for our benefit, not each others'. It seemed to your ancestors that killing someone and taking their stuff would be a net benefit, and if they didn't have a built-in aversion they'd do it, and they would likely get caught and punished.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 03 September 2013 11:31:51AM 3 points [-]

"Caught and punished" might be a too-modern take on the problem. I wonder if it's more like "lead to an ongoing and expensive feud".

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 06 September 2013 03:31:42AM 1 point [-]

I can't remember the article where this was stated, but we have instincts for morality because following them made our ancestors more successful.

I believe you're thinking of the ethical injunction sequence. Specifically, the post ethical inhibitions.

Comment author: Lumifer 03 September 2013 04:43:37PM 0 points [-]

Our ancestors generally divided the world into "those like us" and "those unlike us". Killing "those unlike us" and taking their stuff was perfectly fine and even encouraged.

The boundary between "those like us" and "those unlike us" historically varied and has been drawn on the basis of family, tribe, state, religion, race, etc. etc.

Comment author: polarix 03 September 2013 09:35:03AM *  0 points [-]

This does not actually speak to the utility of such instincts to individuals. Rather, it indicates their utility the gene bundle, by increasing the genes' probability of propagating. A tribe that stole from itself would not get very far through time.

Comment author: DanielLC 03 September 2013 08:12:08PM 1 point [-]

Yeah, but group selection doesn't make a very big difference, as discussed in The Tragedy of Group Selectionism.