ChristianKl comments on Ignorance in parenting - Less Wrong

13 Post author: Gunnar_Zarncke 03 September 2013 10:00AM

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Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 03 September 2013 09:52:29PM 2 points [-]

Again you infer too much from my isolated remark that it be risky.

Please please don't draw conclusions too quickly. I know we extrapolate from any single bit of information to the whole picture. There must be a link here on LW about it. On my side I promise I will not post such isolated statements again.

To get back to your point. We prefer natural consequences too. My wife is better at it then I am. She immediatly has a consequence at hand that mostly does work. But then she has the plan for the day. A long time ago I agreed that we establish the same rules and back each other on decisions made by the other. But often enough I find myself in a situation where I have to back her - but don't know to what end. That places me into a situation where I am bound to fail.

As for the riskyness of the approach. I'd like to just point out the logical consequences: If you establish a rule (e.g. because if all follow the rule that will have positive effects for all) and then do not perform your part in supporting this common cause and instead look away then the same will happen as in any social group where social norms are not followed: the rule will weaken and possibly fall below a level where its usefullness gets negatve. If you want to maintain the rule you should better invest sufficient continuous energy to keep the rule adherence at a level where it is useful instead of letting it slip and then invest significant energy into getting it back.

Comment author: ChristianKl 09 September 2013 12:10:53PM 2 points [-]

But often enough I find myself in a situation where I have to back her - but don't know to what end. That places me into a situation where I am bound to fail.

To me that sounds like the rules that your wife sets a too complex. If you don't understand that they make sense as an adult, they will be completely arbitary to the children.

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 09 September 2013 01:30:25PM *  0 points [-]

Insightful. The rules I am talking about are mostly about every-day routine. The grand picture of these rules is clear - but that doesn't help for particular cases where

a) the children may know the rules or rather the pragmatics of the rules better than I and

b) I don't know the 'usual' consequences with respect to rule violation.

This manifests especially if I care for the children only for a limited time and then my wife takes over again - and gets dissatisfied with the consequences of my decisions - mostly because she has to 'clean up' after my 'misapplication' of the rules. And believe me: My children will tell me if I'm to strict but not if I'm too lax.

A corollary to this is: If you are less strict than your partner and never want to disappoint him/her, then you have to be stricter then him/him.

Comment author: ChristianKl 09 September 2013 05:42:41PM 1 point [-]

A corollary to this is: If you are less strict than your partner and never what to disappoint him/her, then you have to be stricter then him/him.

That's when the only thing your partner cares about is that you enforce a certain level of rules.

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 10 September 2013 05:26:57AM 0 points [-]

Sadly that has a true part in it.