Blueberry comments on I attempted the AI Box Experiment again! (And won - Twice!) - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Blueberry 29 June 2014 03:31:37AM 4 points [-]

How did the attack happen? I'm skeptical.

Comment author: ChristianKl 29 June 2014 10:06:44AM 1 point [-]

I don't have a recording of the event to break it down to a level where I can explain that in a step by step fashion. Even if I would think it would take some background in hypnosis or NLP to follow a detailed explanation. Human minds often don't do what we would intuitively assume they would do and unlearning to trust all those learned ideas about what's supposed to happen isn't easy.

If you think that attacks generally happen in a way that you can easily understand by reading an explanation, then you ignore most of the powerful attacks.

Comment author: Blueberry 29 June 2014 12:26:48PM 2 points [-]

What pragmatist said. Even if you can't break it down step by step, can you explain what the mechanism was or how the attack was delivered? Was it communicated with words? If it was hidden how did your friend understand it?

Comment author: ChristianKl 29 June 2014 02:37:20PM 0 points [-]

The basic framework is using nested loops and metaphors.

If a AGI for example wanted to get someone to get them out of the cage it could tell a highly story about some animal named Fred and part of the story is that it's very important that a human released that animal from the cage.

If the AGI then later speaks about Fred it brings up the positively feeling concept of releasing things from cages. That increases the chances of listener then releasing the AGI.

Alone this won't be enough, but over time it's possible to build up a lot of emotionally charged metaphors and then chain them together in an instance to work together. In practice getting it to work isn't easy.

Comment author: Blueberry 03 July 2014 02:44:02AM 1 point [-]

Can you give me an example of a NLP "program" that influences someone, or link me to a source that discusses this more specifically? I'm interested but, as I said, skeptical, and looking for more specifics.

Comment author: ChristianKl 03 July 2014 10:13:45AM 1 point [-]

In this case, I doubt that there writing that get's to the heart of the issue that accessible to people without an NLP or hypnosis background. I'm also from Germany so a lot of the sources from which I actually learned are German.

As far as programming and complexity there a nice chart of what taught in a 3 day workshop with nested loops: http://nlpportal.org/nlpedia/images/a/a8/Salesloop.pdf

If you generally want to get an introduction into hypnosis I recommend "Monsters and Magical Sticks: There is No Such Thing as Hypnosis" by Steven Heller.

Comment author: ChristianKl 29 June 2014 08:49:40PM 0 points [-]

If it was hidden how did your friend understand it?

Understanding the fact that one can't pee is pretty straightforward.