I guess that makes sense. When people say things like "I want a lot of money", "I want to live in a fulfilling relationship", "I want to climb mt. everest", the essential quality of these desires is that they are real and actually happen roughly the same way you picture it in your mind. No one says things like "I want to have the good feeling of living in a fulfilling relationship whether or not I actually live in one"... no. Because it's important that they're actually real. You can say the same thing about helping others - if you don't want other people to suffer, then it's important that they actually don't suffer.
That wouldn't be a very good reason to ignore the person I'll become. After all, I do want the person I'm going to be to be happy. How is this different, in any important way that changes the reasoning above, from noting that I do in fact care about other people in their own right?
It's a bit different. You will eventually become the person you are in the future, but it's impossible to never get inside the mind of someone else, at least not directly.
people would be happy to change themselves to get warm good feels both when others are happy and when others are sad.
How would you actually change yourself? It's very difficult in practice.
People also wouldn't care about people too far away to cause changes for them.
But people don't care about far away people so much as they care about people that are similar to you. When westerners get in trouble in developing countries, people make a big effort to get them safe and mostly ignore all suffering that is going on around that. People send less money to people in developing countries than say, war veterans or people at home.
That's a fact about how I am. Why should I try to change that?
You shouldn't. I'm the same way, I try to help people for the sake of helping them. But there are some people who are only interested in their own well-being and I'm just thinking how I could argue with them.
Because it's important that they're actually real.
Yes! I think that's a lot like what I was talking about.
You will eventually become the person you are in the future
Present-you won't. Present-you will go away and never know that will happen. You-over-time may change from present-you to you-to-come, but I wasn't talking about you-over-time.
Also, mind reading could change this some day, maybe.
How would you actually change yourself? It's very difficult in practice.
Yes, but even if it weren't possible at all, and we thought it were possible, whethe...
xkcd's Up-Goer Five comic gave technical specifications for the Saturn V rocket using only the 1,000 most common words in the English language.
This seemed to me and Briénne to be a really fun exercise, both for tabooing one's words and for communicating difficult concepts to laypeople. So why not make a game out of it? Pick any tough, important, or interesting argument or idea, and use this text editor to try to describe what you have in mind with extremely common words only.
This is challenging, so if you almost succeed and want to share your results, you can mark words where you had to cheat in *italics*. Bonus points if your explanation is actually useful for gaining a deeper understanding of the idea, or for teaching it, in the spirit of Gödel's Second Incompleteness Theorem Explained in Words of One Syllable.
As an example, here's my attempt to capture the five theses using only top-thousand words:
If you make a really strong computer and it is not very nice, you will not go to space today.
Other ideas to start with: agent, akrasia, Bayes' theorem, Bayesianism, CFAR, cognitive bias, consequentialism, deontology, effective altruism, Everett-style ('Many Worlds') interpretations of quantum mechanics, entropy, evolution, the Great Reductionist Thesis, halting problem, humanism, law of nature, LessWrong, logic, mathematics, the measurement problem, MIRI, Newcomb's problem, Newton's laws of motion, optimization, Pascal's wager, philosophy, preference, proof, rationality, religion, science, Shannon information, signaling, the simulation argument, singularity, sociopathy, the supernatural, superposition, time, timeless decision theory, transfinite numbers, Turing machine, utilitarianism, validity and soundness, virtue ethics, VNM-utility