private_messaging comments on Notes on Brainwashing & 'Cults' - Less Wrong

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Comment author: private_messaging 15 September 2013 06:22:58PM *  0 points [-]

That would be a much more convincing example about cults in general if it weren't about a failed dead cult.

I think an example about a failed dead startup is most informative about startups in general.

edit: also, on the reading list, what I expect is for my interpretation of it to be quite massively different from yours. I'd be better served by picking a reputable book about cults at random, anyway (cherry picking vs unfiltered data).

edit2: as for adding value, I'm not sure value adding cults are nearly of as much of impact-weighted interest as cults which end up in a Jonestown. Furthermore, sunk cost fallacy - like failure mode seems massively relevant to retention in cults.

Comment author: gwern 15 September 2013 06:52:23PM *  0 points [-]

I think an example about a failed dead startup is most informative about startups in general.

What's that? Surely if a prophecy were a useful filtering mechanism as you say, then dying is a problem. A cult which fails cannot serve anyone's purpose at all...

I'd be better served by picking a reputable book about cults at random, anyway (cherry picking vs unfiltered data).

Fair enough, but shouldn't you then retract your previous claims? I mean, what with it being based on cherry picked evidence and all?

Furthermore, sunk cost fallacy - like failure mode seems massively relevant to retention in cults.

You should probably know that I consider it seriously questionable whether sunk costs affect individuals at all, then, and reject the premise of that argument, much less whether it applies to cults.