JQuinton comments on Open Thread, September 23-29, 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JQuinton 24 September 2013 09:32:53PM 14 points [-]

Is there a name for this following bias?

So I've debated a lot of religious people in my youth, and a common sort of "inferential drift", if you can call if that, is that they believe that if you don't think something is true or doesn't exist, then this must mean that you don't want said thing to be true or to exist. It's like a sort of meta-motivated reasoning; they are falsely attributing your conclusions due to motivated reasoning. The most obvious examples are reading any sort of Creationist writing that critiques evolution, where they pretty explicitly attribute accepting the theory of evolution to a desire for god to not exist.

I've started to notice it in many other highly charged, mind-killing topics as well. Is this all in my head? Has anyone else experienced this?

Comment author: Emile 25 September 2013 06:15:35AM 5 points [-]

This seems pretty close to a Bulverism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulverism

Comment author: JQuinton 25 September 2013 05:15:17PM -1 points [-]

That does seem close to Bulverism. But what I described seem to be happening at a subconscious bias level, where people are somewhat talking past each other due to a sort of hidden assumption of Bulverism.

Comment author: Transfuturist 25 September 2013 11:19:30PM *  -1 points [-]

Then perhaps...

>implying Bulverism
Comment author: blacktrance 26 September 2013 04:29:01AM 3 points [-]

I've heard it called "psychologizing".

Comment author: Moss_Piglet 24 September 2013 10:29:16PM 5 points [-]

I used to get a lot of people telling me I was an atheist because I either didn't want there to be a god or because I wanted the universe to be logical (granted, I do want that, but they meant it in the pejorative Vulcan-y sense). I eventually shut them up with "who doesn't want to believe they're going to heaven?" but it took me a while to come up with that one.

I don't understand it either, but this is a thing people say a lot.

Comment author: ChristianKl 25 September 2013 12:24:23AM -2 points [-]

If someone else accuses you of engaging in motivated reasoning that's ad hominem.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 25 September 2013 02:25:32AM 4 points [-]

No, that is a mere assertion (which may or may not be true). If they claimed that he is wrong because he is engaging in motivated reasoning, then that would be ad hominem.

Comment author: blashimov 26 September 2013 02:56:59PM 0 points [-]

Wait, what? This might be a little off topic, but if you assert that they lack evidence and are drawing conclusions based on motivated reasoning, that seems highly relevant and not ad hominem. I guess it could be unnecessary, as you might try to focus exactly on their evidence, but it would seem reasonable to look at the evidence they present, and say "this is consistent with motivated reasoning, for example you describe many things that would happen by chance but nothing similar contradictory, so there seems to be some confirmation bias" etc.