Shakespeare's_Fool comments on Guessing the Teacher's Password - Less Wrong
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Eliezer,
School is all about words?
In shop class if the pieces didn't fit together, weren't sanded down smooth, or the contraption didn't work, you flunked the course.
In chemistry lab, if you didn't measure the pH right, same problem.
In physics if your measurements of waves or acceleration down the inclined plane were wrong down went your grade.
Guess we must have gone to different schools.
John
I've never seen or heard of such a school, at least not in my country. Maybe vocational schools grade like that, but in high schools I know, there's no fitting togetger, sanding, or measuring anything. It's just memorizing theory and solving exercises.
In both 10th grade chemistry and AP chem we had some degree of grading based on how close our values were to the correct values. I'm not actually sure this helps that much in practice though because I'm pretty sure that some kids fudged their data.
(exercising necromancy again to raise the thread from the dead)
We had this situation on CS studies in numerical methods class and in metrology class. In both cases, most of the students fudged the data in the reports and/or just plainly copied stuff from what the previous year did.
Well, that means that at least they knew what data they would have expected to get if they had done the experiment right, which takes more understanding than just memorizing the teacher's passwords.
(Thread necromancy courtesy of TeMPOraL's comment.)
Here's Feynman criticizing the Brazilian educational system (in the late 1940s and early 1950s), but I get the impression from his writing that he thought this was a widespread problem that was particularly bad in Brazil. (See for instance the stuff about American textbooks later "Surely You're Joking".)
-- "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!", Richard Feynman (p. 217)
Not to mention all the 20th-century textbooks mentioning the tongue map thing...
Page 212-213 is even more on point.
He gives several examples relating to the physics of light and torque. The students give great definitions but have no idea how to apply the terms to any real objects, even when the objects are pointed out to them.