buybuydandavis comments on What makes us think _any_ of our terminal values aren't based on a misunderstanding of reality? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: buybuydandavis 26 September 2013 03:01:24AM 7 points [-]

What makes us think any of our terminal values aren't based on a misunderstanding of reality?

Much the same thing that makes me think my height isn't based on a misunderstanding of reality. Different category. I didn't understand my way into having terminal values. Understanding can illuminate your perceptions of reality and allow you to better grasp what is, but I don't think that your terminal values were generated by your understanding. Trying to do so is a pathological tail biting exercise.

Comment author: torekp 27 September 2013 01:24:45PM *  0 points [-]

I disagree with your implied claim that terminal values are independent of understandings. I can't think of any human values that don't presuppose some facts.

Edit: also see this comment by scientism.

Comment author: lmm 27 September 2013 06:10:41PM 1 point [-]

If I enjoy the subjective experience of thinking about something, I can't think of any conceivable fact that would invalidate that.

Comment author: torekp 28 September 2013 09:05:22PM *  0 points [-]

Touché. (At least for an instantaneous "I" and instantaneous enjoyment.) Still, there are many terminal values that do presuppose facts.