Doug_S. comments on Science as Attire - Less Wrong

48 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 23 August 2007 05:10AM

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Comment author: Doug_S. 23 August 2007 06:22:21AM 1 point [-]

::threadjack::

The probability for anything is non-zero.

I'd be willing to assign zero probability to mathematical falsehoods, such as "2+2=5".

On topic:

Apparently, a lot of people really don't understand biological evolution.

(Many people don't really understand what a physicist means by a "wave", either, but they tend to be familiar with examples.)

Comment author: handoflixue 19 May 2011 08:26:57PM *  11 points [-]

http://lesswrong.com/lw/jr/how_to_convince_me_that_2_2_3/

I'd be adverse to assigning zero probability even to mathematical falsehoods :)

(Edit: Okay, finally checked the math. A zero probability means "I absolutely refuse to update this belief regardless of the evidence." I can see situations where I can't imagine ever running in to evidence against, but not anything where I'd refuse to update my belief even in light of evidence...)

Comment author: thomblake 19 May 2011 08:38:35PM 13 points [-]

I find it amusing that you responded to a comment from August 2007 by linking to a post from September 2007.

If only Doug_S. had bothered to read that post before making that comment, there wouldn't have been any confusion!

Comment author: handoflixue 19 May 2011 08:52:32PM 2 points [-]

laughs Cute, I hadn't paid attention to either of the timestamps :)

Comment author: perry 03 August 2011 04:59:43PM 0 points [-]

How about, "If this expectation of mine is ever violated, I'll have to rebuild my world view from scratch anyway, discarding all major priors"? I'd say that's a valid reason to assign zero. Fudging it with an infinitesimal nonzero probability feels like cheating in that case. (All your eggs are in that basket.)

Anyway, mathematical falsehoods are internal contradictions in a mathematical system. So reliable evidence of mathematical falsehood means either confusion (probable), broken axioms in the system used (possible), or a break in your core logic (reload firmware and reboot brain :-).

Cheers -- perry

Comment author: handoflixue 03 August 2011 08:30:27PM 1 point [-]

"If this expectation of mine is ever violated, I'll have to rebuild my world view from scratch anyway, discarding all major priors"?

I've had to rebuild huge chunks of my priors due to major system collapses a couple times now, so the idea doesn't really bother me. I've also done maths where 2+2=3, thanks to a hobbyist interest in abstract algebra.

I'd rather seek Truth than Convenience, even if it does mean rebuilding everything again. Besides, a compelling proof that 2+2=3 probably means something fundamental has changed in the world, and that believing 2+2=4 will cause me some serious issues.