Eugine_Nier comments on Rationality Quotes October 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 05 October 2013 07:17:31AM 3 points [-]

Moral courage doesn't reside in "doing good" so much as in fighting the bad.

Nassim Taleb

Comment author: Dorikka 05 October 2013 08:16:48PM 5 points [-]

I think he got it backwards? :P

Comment author: simplicio 07 October 2013 05:16:59PM 6 points [-]

I think I more or less agree with Taleb, so I will try to make it more plausible.

  • Doing good is hard (cf Givewell. "Famine? Let's send free food! Oops, we bankrupted local food producers. Oh well, our hearts were in the right place.")
  • Consider the infinite Platonic set of Interventions (in an economy, person... whatever). Throw a dart inside that set - are you more likely to hit a useful intervention, or a useless/harmful one?
  • Further problem: a lot of harmful or useless interventions LOOK useful, or are useful for some parties but very harmful for the rest of us.
  • Further problem: many harmful interventions are harmful on a truly spectacular scale, even - or especially - if they are really popular and seem really beneficial and are totally going to change the world for the better. (Fat tails.)
  • Further problem: humans love power, and a great way to get power is via some grand intervention. The people in charge of such an intervention probably don't have skin in the game, so they aren't incentivized to care very much about REALLY getting it right.

This suggests the HEURISTIC that there is more to be gained from stopping people shooting themselves (or each other) in the foot than there is from promoting people's happiness.

I'm pretty sure Taleb would agree it is only a heuristic, and that bednets are a legitimate counterexample & are in fact pretty great.

Comment author: [deleted] 08 October 2013 05:01:38AM 0 points [-]

Sure. I just think that “fighting the bad” looks like a very unclear way to put that out of context.

Comment author: ChristianKl 06 October 2013 06:23:36PM 0 points [-]

You could read it as saying that fighting people from building UFAI is more important than getting FAI theory right and bringing betnets to Africa.