Nomad comments on Rationality Quotes October 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Nomad 05 October 2013 04:14:50PM 3 points [-]

I'm not convinced the whole thing is a decent rationality quote, as part of it seems to be Menelaus surrendering to the idea that "because Darwin discovered Natural Selection, he endorsed it".

On the other hand, "Some of his friends said you had to prick your finger with a pin to make the oath valid; and boys of particular boldness used a rusty pin, as if daring the Jihad plague to strike. Menelaus knew that was all nonsense: it was the willpower that decided oaths, nothing else. No pin would be as sharp as what he felt beating in his angry young heart." is brilliant: both understanding the inclination to irrationality, and also emphasising that rationality can be strengthened by emotion.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 08 October 2013 07:44:53AM 2 points [-]

I'm not convinced the whole thing is a decent rationality quote, as part of it seems to be Menelaus surrendering to the idea that "because Darwin discovered Natural Selection, he endorsed it".

It appears to me that within the story, his knowledge of exactly who Darwin was has been greatly garbled by the processes of history. That's just a detail of the setting. My reading of Menelaus' attitude to evolution is that he is expressing much the same idea as Eliezer's characterisation of it as a blind idiot god that we should overcome and replace.