Estarlio comments on Rationality Quotes October 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vaniver 14 October 2013 09:10:47PM 2 points [-]

The love of complexity without reductionism makes art; the love of complexity with reductionism makes science.

--E.O. Wilson

Comment author: Estarlio 15 October 2013 11:34:25AM 0 points [-]

What about artists who think that reducing things to their bare essentials is the essence of art? Or styles like - well, broadly speaking, anime (or caricatures in general) - that are based on the emphasis of certain basic forms? Or writers like Eric Hoffer - "Wordiness is a sickness of American writing. Too many words dilute and blur ideas. [...] If you have nothing to say and want badly to say it, then all the words in all the dictionaries will not suffice." ?

Comment author: Vaniver 15 October 2013 04:09:34PM 0 points [-]

It's worth noting that Wilson's comment is A->B, C->D, not A=B, C=D.

What about artists who think that reducing things to their bare essentials is the essence of art?

Does that sound like a love of complexity to you?

Comment author: Estarlio 16 October 2013 12:36:58PM -2 points [-]

It's worth noting that Wilson's comment is A->B, C->D, not A=B, C=D.

Yeah, I know. It's just not clear that you have to love complexity and not like reductionism to get art. It's not A <-> B.

If it's not A <-> B then it's A -> B but even that seems sketchy. Lots of people love spouting, sketching, whatever, complex nonsense without doing anything I'd describe as art.

Of course, it'd help in this situation to be able to point at art - but the whole thought seems very muddled and imprecise, and the issues seems far from the blank assertion it's presented as.

Does that sound like a love of complexity to you?

No.