johnswentworth comments on The best 15 words - Less Wrong

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Comment author: johnswentworth 04 October 2013 01:40:55AM *  2 points [-]

Jayne's Probability Theory:

There is nothing "subjective" about Bayesian probability.

EDIT: I like badger's suggestion below better than this one.

Comment author: badger 04 October 2013 03:34:21PM 12 points [-]

I'd go with: Probability exists in your mind, not the world, but there still is an "objective" way to calculate it.

Comment author: johnswentworth 05 October 2013 01:37:11AM 1 point [-]

I like it. In the spirit of iterative improvement, how about this:

Probabilities are subjective, but the information they represent is not. Use all available information on pain of paradox.

Comment author: wedrifid 05 October 2013 03:05:09AM 0 points [-]

I propose an iteration with "on pain of paradox" truncated.

Comment author: johnswentworth 05 October 2013 03:08:47AM 0 points [-]

I'm split on this one. I like it better without "pain of paradox," but it seemed like a third of the book was devoted to pains and paradoxes arising from ignoring information.

Comment author: wedrifid 04 October 2013 10:50:11PM *  3 points [-]

There is nothing "subjective" about Bayesian probability.

Because a direct contradiction of this quote is also true (and also something that the Jaynes would probably agree with) it is perhaps not the best 15 words in his work. The problem is that all the meaning conveyed relies on the reader plugging in suitable meanings for 'subjective' so that it makes sense. The knowledge needed to construct an interpretation of the quote that is correct and insightful gets deducted from the information that is conveyed by the quote.

I do agree that this message and this source are worth quoting. If the excerpt badger quotes does come from Jaynes then it certainly deserves a place. Same message, less ambiguity.