Randaly comments on The best 15 words - Less Wrong

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Comment author: wedrifid 09 October 2013 08:26:22AM 3 points [-]

FWIW, your model is really badly broken if you didn't expect this- I would expect even most racist models (or, at least, my Turing-test-passing attempts at racist models) to predict this.

Why are you so confident that even most racist models would predict this? Prior to acquiring domain specific knowledge about trends or immigration policies in the United States it doesn't seem especially likely. Until Randaly provided the relevant link I knew next to nothing about the particulars of which racial groups successfully immigrate to the US at which education level. In the absence of such information it seems reasonable to guess that the patterns would tend toward following the trends for IQ among the groups as well as correlating with the distribution of educational qualifications for individuals in the respective countries. ie. I'd guess that East Asian groups would have more educational achievement than African groups.

I'd call the model possessed by myself of the recent past wrong and also ignorant of that and related pieces of trivia but I'd hardly call it "really badly broken". Perhaps you consider this and related information far more important or fundamental than I do?

Comment author: Randaly 09 October 2013 11:50:48AM 0 points [-]

I am Randaly; I didn't know that specific information before, but it did not surprise me. My understanding was that phenomenon of brain drain is fairly well known.

Comment author: [deleted] 09 October 2013 02:47:21PM 3 points [-]

I don't usually refer to brain drain in my understanding of things. If this is true, I should. But why expect differential brain drain between Africa and Asia, which is what is necessary to explain this.

Comment author: Lumifer 09 October 2013 02:58:58PM *  6 points [-]

But why expect differential brain drain between Africa and Asia

Here is a throwaway guess: because Asia is rapidly developing and Africa is not. If you're very smart and in (ex-Japan) Asia, you can stay and be successful (make millions / cure cancer / become a pop star / etc.) locally. It's a fluid growing environment. But if you're in Africa, your chances of local success are much smaller and, correspondingly, your incentives to emigrate are much higher.

Comment author: Randaly 09 October 2013 04:51:39PM *  1 point [-]

I endorse Lumifer's reason. Other reasons would include less patriotism (as I understand, loyalties in much of Africa are to tribes/clans/families rather than a nationstate, religion, or ideology, so bringing your family abroad of going abroad to look for money would be less of a shift) and less perceived safety (e.g. apparently 75% of Ethiopia's skilled laborers moved abroad during its famines).

Comment author: wedrifid 09 October 2013 06:15:09PM 0 points [-]

I am Randaly; I didn't know that specific information before, but it did not surprise me. My understanding was that phenomenon of brain drain is fairly well known.

Brain drain is familiar to me... it's even what I attribute most of the success of the US to, especially when it comes to silicone valley. What I had no information about (and little need to collect information about) was the specific details of which countries the US attracts and permits immigrants from most freely. Without those details knowledge of brain drain is irrelevant, it doesn't distinguish between drain-sources.