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Comment author: bramflakes 08 October 2013 08:34:50AM 5 points [-]

I spent about £19 on half a year's worth of 1mg Melatonin pills. I swallowed one last night at about 2300, then went to bed at midnight.

Thoughts:

I didn't notice any extra sleepiness during that hour interval between taking it and going to sleep. This may mean that melatonin as a solution to hyperbolic discounting may not work for me. Alternatively I just went to sleep too early and had I stayed awake, the melatonin would have kicked in and made me want to go to sleep anyway.

I woke up over an hour before my alarm, feeling /much/ more refreshed than usual, and with almost no desire to sleep in. If this was the work of melatonin then it will be very useful to me in stopping my habit of turning off my alarm and then going back to sleep again.;

Obviously, this was only one night, so things like placebo and random variation in effects are there. I'll continue with this experiment and take notes. I can't be bothered to do a blinding experiment like gwern did with his nootropics experiments, but given that the effects of melatonin are well-researched and that most people react the same way to it, I'm fairly confident the effects I'm getting are real. Even if it is a placebo, I'd still be satisfied with it given how much money I paid.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 08 October 2013 10:30:57PM 5 points [-]

1mg is hitting yourself over the head with a sledgehammer. Try 200mcg or 300mcg first!

Comment author: bramflakes 08 October 2013 11:01:25PM *  2 points [-]

Considering the most common dose I found on sale was about 3mg and they even went up to 10mg, I assumed 1mg was the low end.

Comment author: philh 09 October 2013 01:11:28AM 0 points [-]

If your melatonin comes in plastic capsules, like mine, you can twist them apart, discard some amount of the contents (I tend to roughly-fill the smaller of the two caps and throw the rest) and optionally put them back together, without too much hassle.

Comment author: somervta 09 October 2013 01:26:51AM 1 point [-]

I bite my pills into thirds.

Comment author: Matt_Simpson 14 October 2013 02:07:25AM 0 points [-]

I do this too, though in smaller bites. fitfths? fourths? I'm not sure, actually, but it seems to work.

Comment author: hyporational 10 October 2013 05:02:50PM 0 points [-]

I'm trying hard to imagine how that works.

Comment author: somervta 10 October 2013 10:41:15PM 1 point [-]

Take pill.

Bit a bit off.

Leave the rest for later.

it's not exact, of course, but it's not too tricky to get them in between 2/5 and 3/5.