Lumifer comments on A Voting Puzzle, Some Political Science, and a Nerd Failure Mode - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Lumifer 10 October 2013 04:11:52PM 2 points [-]

All those proofs you supposedly saw that pi was not 4 could have been flawed

Proofs? I can just measure myself. If you want to argue that I can't believe the evidence of my own senses, well, then we're getting into quite different territory.

my belief that pi = 4 is irrelevant to my opinion on philosophy

To your opinion maybe, to my opinion about your opinion it's quite relevant :-P

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 29 October 2013 10:07:29AM *  0 points [-]

If you want to argue that I can't believe the evidence of my own senses, well, then we're getting into quite different territory.

All the great scientists are aware that there is always some error in measurement. With real knowledge comes humility, because the more we know, the more we realize we don't know enough. There are many optical illusions, biases, etc. Your eyes may be telling you that the Sun rotates around Earth, but that doesn't necessarily make it true.

Once you learn more about math and life in general, you will realize that pi is greater than 3. Maybe then you will feel ashamed about what you wrote now. Just have an open mind and keep learning.

PS: My grandfather was fired from university for teaching that pi = 4, and I will not allow you to stain my loving memory of him. He was a good person; much more loving that most of the mathematicians I know, including the assholes that fired him.

(jokingly pattern-matching some religious arguments)

Comment author: Lumifer 29 October 2013 04:58:40PM 0 points [-]

All the great scientists are aware that there is always some error in measurement

Given that this is an observation straight out of Stats 101, yes, I suppose all the great scientists are aware...

Do note that this error is often quantifiable.

Your eyes may be telling you that the Sun rotates around Earth, but that doesn't necessarily make it true.

Actually my eyes don't tell me what rotates around what. My eyes tell me that there is a very bright ball moving across the sky.

In any case, are you really arguing that I should accept the opinion of authority over my personal experience (assuming reasonable intelligence on my part)?

Comment author: TheOtherDave 29 October 2013 06:11:09PM 0 points [-]

It may help to re-read the last line of V_B's comment.

Comment author: Lumifer 29 October 2013 06:48:56PM 0 points [-]

Ah. I applied it only to the last two paragraphs. I may have been hasty about that :-)