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Comment author: wedrifid 10 October 2013 09:46:36PM 0 points [-]

Or "There exist conservative Christians who are highly intelligent and rational compared to their peers"?

This.

I have a specific person in mind who is Christian, very intelligent, and mostly rational (all beyond any reasonable argument)

I have several people in mind (immediate family members) who meet this criteria too. "Mostly" is the kind of qualifier I had in mind. (So any disagreement we may have about categorisations here must not be fundamental.)

Comment author: Decius 11 October 2013 02:46:18AM 1 point [-]

I wish I could make the fundamental categorization, but the world provides a counterexample from which the only escape is a weak cry of 'not conservative enough to count?'.

The weaker form of 'Conservative Christianity is a negative predictor of intelligence and rationality' is roughly equivalent to the same thing that we've been agreeing about.

Comment author: wedrifid 11 October 2013 06:20:11AM 1 point [-]

I wish I could make the fundamental categorization, but the world provides a counterexample from which the only escape is a weak cry of 'not conservative enough to count?'.

That doesn't seem to be a counterexample to anything here. It seems to be a somewhat sad failure of thinking by an individual. If it is a failure that occurs frequently then it would be worth exploring just which human biases are involved in the decline.

Comment author: Decius 11 October 2013 09:55:28AM 0 points [-]

Are you confusing an observation with a conclusion? I think the only reason I or you disagree with the conclusion is that we don't share the same observation; everything from there on is either logically sound or high-probability.

Comment author: wedrifid 11 October 2013 10:24:43AM -1 points [-]

Are you confusing an observation with a conclusion?

No, not from what I can see.

Comment author: Decius 11 October 2013 09:13:41PM 0 points [-]

What is the failure of thinking that you see, then? "Morality loves me" implies "theism is correct".