philh comments on How habits work and how you may control them - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Torello 12 October 2013 02:00:35PM 1 point [-]

I really enjoyed this article, and I can see how many of my own behaviors map onto this cue-routine-reward structure. I've been wanting to read this book, but now I don't feel that I need to.

I would appreciate it if another reader could try to explain how rumination (focused attention on the symptoms of one's distress, and on its possible causes and consequences, as opposed to its solutions) would fit into this framework. Here's my attempt:

Let's say you were fired from a job you liked, and you ruminate on the loss of the job.

The cue: seeing a former co-worker The routine: think of everything that went wrong on the job leading to your firing, the possible changes you could have made but didn't, feeling stupid The reward: to discipline yourself?

I feel that the cue and routine are well described, but I'm not sure about how the reward.

Comment author: philh 13 October 2013 11:36:13AM 2 points [-]

If rumination does fit into this, I think the cue is considerably more general than that. At least for me, it seems more like it's triggered internally, by my thoughts turning to a particular subject (probably combined with an emotional state), than by any external cue. (I recently had rumination triggered just by being reminded of the word "rumination" and thinking "oh yes, that's the name for the thing I've been doing...")

But it's not obvious to me that we'd expect rumination would fit into this. I don't think fear is a habit, for example, even though it has a cue, a routine and a reward.