bokov comments on Blind Spot: Malthusian Crunch - Less Wrong

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Comment author: bokov 19 October 2013 02:50:39AM 1 point [-]

However if you look at empirical evidence aka history, the markets helped human societies adapt and flourish in a wide variety of conditions, most of which were characterized by scarcity of some resources.

So? The two broad defaults for responding to scarcity are trade and violence, history has plenty of examples of both, and polities that were successful at either will be more thoroughly documented in history due to survivor bias.

Nevertheless, every complex civilization previous to ours eventually failed and collapsed. If markets explained their success, do market failures explain their demise? What reason do you have to be so confident that ours has nothing to worry about?

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 21 October 2013 12:19:09AM 2 points [-]

Well, the economy of the Roman Empire collapsed when Diocletian undermined the markets by imposing price controls.

Comment author: ChristianKl 19 October 2013 02:29:18PM 0 points [-]

Nevertheless, every complex civilization previous to ours eventually failed and collapsed. If markets explained their success, do market failures explain their demise?

What do you mean with civilisation in that sentence? Are you refering to Fermi or are you taking about human civilisations?

Comment author: bokov 21 October 2013 09:54:49PM -1 points [-]

In this context, individual human civilizations.

Comment author: Lumifer 19 October 2013 02:59:06AM 0 points [-]

Nevertheless, every complex civilization previous to ours eventually failed and collapsed.

Humanity is still here and looks pretty complex to me :-) Individual civilizations come and go, sure, but that's not the question we're discussing. If e.g. the Western civilization collapses, there will be others ready and willing to take its place.

Comment author: bokov 21 October 2013 09:53:42PM 0 points [-]

Actually, for the first time in history, we might have achieved a global civilization, as well as a global single point of failure.