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36 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 26 August 2007 10:10PM

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Comment author: Sean_Landis 27 August 2007 03:44:20AM 6 points [-]

I don't buy the analogy between emergence and phlogiston or vitalism. Offering up "emergence!" as an explanation of a phenomenon is a category mistake, to be sure, and is a semantic stopsign when misunderstood this way.

As other commenters have noted, however, there is a proper understanding of emergence that is useful. (In philosophy, for instance, it's an admittedly sloppy but still useful term to classify different kinds of explanations of consciousness). This doesn't seem true of explanations that appeal to phlogiston or vitalism. Vitalist explanations aren't category mistakes. They're simply vacuous explanations, full stop.

Comment author: torekp 05 April 2010 01:20:22AM 0 points [-]

Sean, that's a useful link. The "irreducible-pattern" epistemological version of emergence, described there, is one I'd heard before. It definitely wouldn't fit everything (if I had to bet, I'd bet it fits nothing).